StoneColdNTO said:
3 or 4 compounds for a first cycle.....how the hell would he ever know which one gave him the gains, which one he got any negative sides from......there is no way. A first cycle should be ONE steroid only, preferably Testosterone.
Knowing how you react to individual steroids is invaluabe knowledge when planning future cycles.
What if he gets gyno on that cycle, is it from the Test, the D-bol, or the Tren, as Test or Tren are going to require different treatments, what would he do?
You know, I could even go as far to say with that cycle, he could have a fake steroid in there, and NEVER even know the difference.
Sorry, but that is terrible advice for a first cycle, and I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of members and fellow Mods would agree.
SC, I respect your opinion but I don't share it. The vast majority of members and fellow mods are entitled to their opinions as well. I'm sorry you think I give "terrible" advice, but my advice isn't rendered "terrible" just because you don't agree with it, sir. I do believe that if you are going to err, you should err on the side of caution. However, erring on the side of caution is still erring.
First of all, it isn't a first cycle, he said up front that he is "returning" to Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) after he finishes.
In any event, I don't feel that using one steroid on a first cycle is essential. It makes sense for the reasons you stated, and which I have always voiced my general agreement with, but it is not essential, especially in the context of the cycle he is proposing.
Remember, the tren doesn't start until several weeks into the cycle. By the time he would start that, he should know whether he is going to have any issues with gyno from what he has been using for 4 weeks. It appears that he already knows something about this, since he has stated that he will be running an anti estrogen with his cycle. Of course this minimizes the risk of getting gyno.
You ask what happens if he starts to get gyno, how would he know what caused it and how to respond? Well, if it happens before he starts the tren, he would know he needs to start nolvadex and should stop the dbol, and lower or stop the test and eq. At that point, since he now knows he is quite susceptable to gyno (if we make the quantum leap of assuming he had no idea what his status was before) and certainly at that point should seriously consider taking steps to attempt to isolate the cause (if that is in fact possible).
If he starts to develop gyno after adding tren, he can do the appropriate things for the rare individuals that have that issue.
The amount of eq he is proposing isn't that much, perhaps adding the anabolism he might get from bumping up his test by about 150 mgs. per week, without adding any substantial threat of sides. In my opinion, for a user interested in getting the most gains possible out of a cycle (which represents most users), it is prudent and appropriate to stack a benign anabolic such as deca or eq with test.
So in sum, it seems to me that the real question is whether or not it is appropriate for him to stack dbol with test in the beginning of his cycle. As I said before, I would prefer that he NOT do that, but again, I don't think it would be idiocy to do it.
Clearly you and I have differing philosophies with regard to dosages and approaches. Certainly some of that can be explained by the fact that you are extremely sensitive to gyno, while I am not at all. Moreover, I do not respond to the doses you use. You use for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) purposes. On the other hand, I believe that most of our members are seeking a PROFOUND change in their physique. They don't necessarily want to spend years attempting to determine exactly what effect each compound has on them in isolation, they want to look as good as they can as soon as possible. Steroids can often give them the results in a month that they would have needed a year to achieve in the past - but this just isn't going to happen on 250 mgs. of test enanthate per week.
