Another study touting the safety of toremifene over tamoxifen.

[DocJ]

What's so funny?


He makes it seem like the only humans using Tamoxifen or toremifene are bodybuilders. This is nonsense.

Understood, but I believe his point was that much of the time we don't have human studies to go by when considering hypothesis about our "hobby."

 

[Vegas]

Fact of the matter is...Studies show it is NOT known to cause liver cancer in humans even though it does in rats. Proof studies done on rats have no relevancy to humans.

Actually the study I posted was meant to show that TOREMIFENE didn't cause cancer is rats like tamoxifen did. The studies you cite only state that tamoxifen can cause cancer in humans. I think a more apt comparison that would have bolstered your argument would have been studies that indicated that tormeifene did not cause cancer in humans.

What's so funny?


He makes it seem like the only humans using Tamoxifen or toremifene are bodybuilders. This is nonsense.

Actually, my sarcastic comment was also supposed to be invoking the fact that you have criticized past studies that have been posted by me and others because they were not conducted using healthy males, etc. I believe your words were something to the effect that it's fine to know how a drug works in postmenopausal women but how would they work in young males.

But it was meant to be humourous as well, however at this point I think we are getting way off topic so let's drop it.

 

[HeywoodJAblome]

As long it isn't an illegal source your good to go. Everyone posts about ology becausre they have alot of what we need and they support the board. If they don't have it your not hurting them.

Ok, if you say so.

www.chemoneresearch.com in the SERM's section.

 

[goiterjoe]

www.************.com has it as well. personally I've been using it along with tamoxifen and letrozole for post cycle therapy (pct) and feel like I'm back to normal in under 2 weeks, whereas just tamoxifen and letrozole together seemed to take 4-5 weeks for me to get back to normal lately.

 

[Micromegas]

Actually the study I posted was meant to show that TOREMIFENE didn't cause cancer is rats like tamoxifen did. The studies you cite only state that tamoxifen can cause cancer in humans. I think a more apt comparison that would have bolstered your argument would have been studies that indicated that tormeifene did not cause cancer in humans.

You aren't making sense. The study you posted showed that Tamoxifen can cause cancer in rats but Toremifene can not. You were insinuating that this somehow translates to humans but it doesn't.


The study I posted said TAMOXIFEN did NOT cause cancer in humans.

Actually, my sarcastic comment was also supposed to be invoking the fact that you have criticized past studies that have been posted by me and others because they were not conducted using healthy males, etc. I believe your words were something to the effect that it's fine to know how a drug works in postmenopausal women but how would they work in young males.

I would trust a study done on Women over Rats anyday when trying to compaire it to the effects on Males. Atleast they are the same species.

But it was meant to be humourous as well, however at this point I think we are getting way off topic so let's drop it.

Ok.

The topic is that supposedly according to your study toremifene is safer than tamoxifen for humans. I don't buy it and the study doesn't support that.