are we getting closer to the foutain of youth??
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Zero V
Prodigal son
So in an overpopulated world, we now are approaching the ability to prolong life.
Combine it with the coming era of augmentation and mixing electronics into our body...man...
Did it ever occur to people, that the rampant plagues, disease, things like AIDs, STD's, etc, and all that are created by nature in an attempt to balance the system to prevent collapse from overpopulation?
Death has its place. A very important place. We all have to die.
The only people who I think should be extended lifewise are academics/scientists. Never a politician though. But those who dedicate their lives to productive creation of new things for mankind. Imagine a scientist/doctor who spends 60 years in his field studying and researching, and then dies. Though he can leave books behind and reports, his mind, that is the mind that pioneered it and all the drive behind it is gone. Imagine what Telsa would have done with 200 years of life.
Combine it with the coming era of augmentation and mixing electronics into our body...man...
Did it ever occur to people, that the rampant plagues, disease, things like AIDs, STD's, etc, and all that are created by nature in an attempt to balance the system to prevent collapse from overpopulation?
Death has its place. A very important place. We all have to die.
The only people who I think should be extended lifewise are academics/scientists. Never a politician though. But those who dedicate their lives to productive creation of new things for mankind. Imagine a scientist/doctor who spends 60 years in his field studying and researching, and then dies. Though he can leave books behind and reports, his mind, that is the mind that pioneered it and all the drive behind it is gone. Imagine what Telsa would have done with 200 years of life.
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Zero V
Prodigal son
stevenmd
Super Ninja
Why not politicians? Who do you think OK's and funds the studies done by the scientists? I won't play God and say who gets to live and who gets to die. I have my opinions but I have enough to be judged upon when I meet our Maker!
Zero V
Prodigal son
Politicians only OK's the funds and studies done by certain kinds of scientists. Usually the most limited scientists. Politicians are also just that, nothing more than a treasurer on a national level. Those can easily be replaced by someone else who can do the same thing.
IMO the most productive scientists are those who are privately funded/fund themselves. They get far greater leeway and their results are private owned, not federally. Thus it generates greater drive because they can make personal fame and gain using corporations/private investors.
And the reason politicians should not be extended is they are already corrupt enough, and are damn near useless, and simply hold up the nation. Why the hell would you want them lasting longer?
Only those who provide substantial bonuses to mankind by surviving longer should be given that purpose.
I will die when my time comes, I am a religious person so I see death as something slightly exciting(odd I know). But I also want to see humanity become something greater than it is, that can only be done by facing facts. Some people are more valuable to humanity than others. Some are even baggage holding humanity back.
Just like soldiers. Some are worth more than others, one may have $150,000 worth of training and expertise, another may have $700,000 worth of training and expertise.
Or think back to society, think about the ghetto. Do you want that lady popping out 8 kids getting checks from the government to live 150 years? Or someone who dedicated their entire life to entangling themselves deeply in a subject living to discover its secrets and bring new eras to mankind? Such as cures for cancer, nanotechnology, etc?
People have a value. You are either positive, neutral, or negative on your impact on mankind. And in that sense you are either a medicine/boost, non-essential, or cancer/decay.
People ask how someone can be very science based and yet deeply faith based. Well it creates unique mindsets. Because I do not see death as some negative aspect, and sometimes people must die for the greater good of mankind as an organism. I also see mankind as a singular organism, or at least we are becoming one.
What this means is, an immune system effect is going to develop in this "organism" that will try to wipe out things that hurt/attempt to kill the organism. As in what acts as cancer or disease. In this "organism" people are the cells, and groups of them make the organs. Essentially they fall under those categories. You can cut off and let the hand die of gang green, in order to save the organism as a whole.
It may sound cold, but in reality I am a humanitarian and do missions trips to feed poor in other countries/etc. I do what I can and I also stress out over problems bigger than I can handle. I wish cancer was cured, hunger didn't exist, etc. But I also recognize a serious risk to mankind...too many of us existing.
Its just I know the cold hard truths about mankind as I see it, and though I will do my daily tasks to ease pain, and I wish no one to suffer or die, I also know whats right for mankind as a whole and a species.
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stevenmd
Super Ninja
While I respect your opinion and see the societal value in it, it does however, seem a lot like passing judgement. Don't judge the ghetto lady popping out 8 kids until you take a step back and look at the social situation that has been propagated by our own government and private business to keep certain populations "in their place" for the almighty dollar. Our own CIA used the ghetto to raise money to fund guerrilla military groups in Central America.
Having spent my career in serving the underprivileged, I have come to look at the world very differently than my fellow Republicans and my fellow Christians. Life is not always what it looks like. This I have also learned with age.
Mrs P
New member
Zero I get your point, but I disagree with some of it, I honestly don't think there's a "Human life worth calculator" out there, I cannot judge the mom popping 8 kids & say she's a better or worst human being than a soldier, a banker, or scientist..
I think someone's "human worth" shouldn't be meassured by their social status, there are amazing human beings withing all social statuses.
Some people have cars, homes, cars, mortgages, etc & this is what defines their worth, & some have deeper & much higher standers..... Deep inside we are all the same worth as people (IMO), & like some people are likely to measure the human worth by assessing their contributions to society, If it is socially acceptable for a person to pursue high status, then it will be measured on that & that would define their worth. I don't agree with this.
I guess the measure of human worth depends on how each individual measures human worth.
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Zero V
Prodigal son
Have you ever seen a a harlequin baby? Click below.
Harlequin Baby
Those ones with the red eyes, those are real. They are born with a disease that covers their bodies in plates. They suffer agonizingly painful existences until they die. They can live for a few hours, to a few days, to maybe a couple months. They get massive infections from the cracks in the plates where there is no protection. Any movement is agonizing to them.
What is humane to do? Hook it up to a machine to keep it alive, or let nature take it quickly ending its suffering? What do you do?
I am a Christan and in so have bound myself to serving people and easing pain, but having done missionary work I have come to realize...there are times when you have to decide hard things. You may very well have to make a personal choice in your life who lives, and who dies, with no easy way out. You will have to weigh lives and make a choice.
Let me place before you a circumstance.
You have a friend who invites you hiking. He brings you, and 4 other buddies of his who you do not know. So you guys are about 30km into the hike when your close to a ledge that gives way and all six of you fall into a snake pit. Rattle snakes...You and your friend rapidly get yourselves to safety due to being in shape physically and being lucky you were able to scale a tree and get on a ledge.
The other four get out, but not before suffering snake bites.
You have no cell service, your 30km into the woods, and each of these four individuals have venom in them that will be killing them far before you could get back to a road.
Your buddy knew ahead of time this area had snakes so he had a friend get him some anti-venom that he kept on ice packs in a little thermal cooler in the bottom of his pack. Just in case someone got bit.
Well he only has enough anti-venom to save two people, to dilute it any more would make it useless.
So there you are having to make a choice. You must choose who lives and dies.
One man is in his 30's, a doctor in the pediatric field.
One man is 28, just got out of jail. He served time for raping a young girl.
One man is a 45 year old warehouse worker, drives a forklift.
One man is a 40 year old middle school teacher at one of the local schools.
You know nothing of their families, you guys only had asked each other what you did for a living. The individuals rapidly fell into an unconscious state and began entering shock, you time is now extremely short to save anyone.
Which two are you going to give those injections? Or are you going to let them all die?
What you do not realize, is some of these people in life we deem "Cold" are doing the most important part of our civilization. Keeping us from destroying ourselves just to save one person.
Someone, it is 100% necessary, that someone takes the place of a judge, that someone stands there and makes a call of life and death.
Remember in the Bible the people asked God and begged God to give give them Kings to have this power. And remember Judges, what their duties were in the old testament?
We are too soft hearted and weak today, and thats why there are many things on the horizons that threaten to put mankind into far, far, far, far worse conditions that we are in today.
They are already warnings that as the world nears 10 billion people before 2050 that food will become unaffordable even here in America, and wars will constantly rage, economies will collapse, millions will die, millions will become orphans, etc. You have to remember, each 3rd world nation we bring up to our technology, equip, supply, is a possible future enemy if the time comes where we cut aid and a hungry, sick, pissed off people blame us(as will happen).
God appointed people to make these calls. How many did King David put to death? How many did he reward and say were above others, and gave them special places? It would be nice, and I would be happy to see every disease wiped out. To see no suffering, and no death. Only from old age after long lives and they are ready. No violence, no nothing just peace. But reality is, if we are going to function, to live, to survive. People must come to exist who can make the calls necessary. When a general sits there and can only save one regiment, he will try to save the one that will provide the most support to the war. AKA the more valuable one. There is no "REAL" value on human life that is true. But if society is to survive, it must have an assigned value. As for the ghetto being kept down by the government....bullcrap. I know alot of people from the ghetto, I am a boss of a few of em now...They choose to keep themselves down. Because I know people who grow up in the ghetto and say "WTF" and leave and become doctors, soldiers, EMT's, lawyers, managers, teachers. Its all choice. If they don't want it hard enough, they will only exist as they are. I feel no pitty.
Existing on a normal day to day life, these may not make the most sense to you.
But I am the kind of guy who will get a group of people together to discuss deep philosophy, the future, ideals, what is necessary and not necessary, survival of mankind, the state of the human condition, why some things must be, what kind of government do we need, what are the real solutions to current problems. And I can sit there for 10 hours discussing this with groups of people who I dig around and find who dedicate their minds to the formation, maturation, and eventual presentation and application of ideas.
Day to day wise, I agree with you. If someone is hurt I help, if someone cant pay their electric bill I will help, if someone needs food I will buy it. I hate money, I give it freely to people.
I firmly believe, any one in leadership must be able to weigh these mentalities. To be able to make a choice of who and who can not live if it comes down to it.
At work I am moving towards firing two guys that work under me. They do not put forth what I ask, they jack off, one is not competent enough to understand the best, and the other simply misses alot of days, and disobeys directions when I walk away. They both have a girl, they both have a baby at home. It bothers me to do so, but in order for work to function as it needs I need real employees. So I am letting them go, I will wish them the best. But they chose to go technically by not being able to fulfill the roles.
Harlequin Baby
Those ones with the red eyes, those are real. They are born with a disease that covers their bodies in plates. They suffer agonizingly painful existences until they die. They can live for a few hours, to a few days, to maybe a couple months. They get massive infections from the cracks in the plates where there is no protection. Any movement is agonizing to them.
What is humane to do? Hook it up to a machine to keep it alive, or let nature take it quickly ending its suffering? What do you do?
I am a Christan and in so have bound myself to serving people and easing pain, but having done missionary work I have come to realize...there are times when you have to decide hard things. You may very well have to make a personal choice in your life who lives, and who dies, with no easy way out. You will have to weigh lives and make a choice.
Let me place before you a circumstance.
You have a friend who invites you hiking. He brings you, and 4 other buddies of his who you do not know. So you guys are about 30km into the hike when your close to a ledge that gives way and all six of you fall into a snake pit. Rattle snakes...You and your friend rapidly get yourselves to safety due to being in shape physically and being lucky you were able to scale a tree and get on a ledge.
The other four get out, but not before suffering snake bites.
You have no cell service, your 30km into the woods, and each of these four individuals have venom in them that will be killing them far before you could get back to a road.
Your buddy knew ahead of time this area had snakes so he had a friend get him some anti-venom that he kept on ice packs in a little thermal cooler in the bottom of his pack. Just in case someone got bit.
Well he only has enough anti-venom to save two people, to dilute it any more would make it useless.
So there you are having to make a choice. You must choose who lives and dies.
One man is in his 30's, a doctor in the pediatric field.
One man is 28, just got out of jail. He served time for raping a young girl.
One man is a 45 year old warehouse worker, drives a forklift.
One man is a 40 year old middle school teacher at one of the local schools.
You know nothing of their families, you guys only had asked each other what you did for a living. The individuals rapidly fell into an unconscious state and began entering shock, you time is now extremely short to save anyone.
Which two are you going to give those injections? Or are you going to let them all die?
What you do not realize, is some of these people in life we deem "Cold" are doing the most important part of our civilization. Keeping us from destroying ourselves just to save one person.
Someone, it is 100% necessary, that someone takes the place of a judge, that someone stands there and makes a call of life and death.
Remember in the Bible the people asked God and begged God to give give them Kings to have this power. And remember Judges, what their duties were in the old testament?
We are too soft hearted and weak today, and thats why there are many things on the horizons that threaten to put mankind into far, far, far, far worse conditions that we are in today.
They are already warnings that as the world nears 10 billion people before 2050 that food will become unaffordable even here in America, and wars will constantly rage, economies will collapse, millions will die, millions will become orphans, etc. You have to remember, each 3rd world nation we bring up to our technology, equip, supply, is a possible future enemy if the time comes where we cut aid and a hungry, sick, pissed off people blame us(as will happen).
God appointed people to make these calls. How many did King David put to death? How many did he reward and say were above others, and gave them special places? It would be nice, and I would be happy to see every disease wiped out. To see no suffering, and no death. Only from old age after long lives and they are ready. No violence, no nothing just peace. But reality is, if we are going to function, to live, to survive. People must come to exist who can make the calls necessary. When a general sits there and can only save one regiment, he will try to save the one that will provide the most support to the war. AKA the more valuable one. There is no "REAL" value on human life that is true. But if society is to survive, it must have an assigned value. As for the ghetto being kept down by the government....bullcrap. I know alot of people from the ghetto, I am a boss of a few of em now...They choose to keep themselves down. Because I know people who grow up in the ghetto and say "WTF" and leave and become doctors, soldiers, EMT's, lawyers, managers, teachers. Its all choice. If they don't want it hard enough, they will only exist as they are. I feel no pitty.
Existing on a normal day to day life, these may not make the most sense to you.
But I am the kind of guy who will get a group of people together to discuss deep philosophy, the future, ideals, what is necessary and not necessary, survival of mankind, the state of the human condition, why some things must be, what kind of government do we need, what are the real solutions to current problems. And I can sit there for 10 hours discussing this with groups of people who I dig around and find who dedicate their minds to the formation, maturation, and eventual presentation and application of ideas.
Day to day wise, I agree with you. If someone is hurt I help, if someone cant pay their electric bill I will help, if someone needs food I will buy it. I hate money, I give it freely to people.
I firmly believe, any one in leadership must be able to weigh these mentalities. To be able to make a choice of who and who can not live if it comes down to it.
At work I am moving towards firing two guys that work under me. They do not put forth what I ask, they jack off, one is not competent enough to understand the best, and the other simply misses alot of days, and disobeys directions when I walk away. They both have a girl, they both have a baby at home. It bothers me to do so, but in order for work to function as it needs I need real employees. So I am letting them go, I will wish them the best. But they chose to go technically by not being able to fulfill the roles.
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barnzy7
rome wasnt built in a day
hahaha god damn you pinga, i remember my first gif
Zero V
Prodigal son
My apologies, I tallied it up and I am at about 2,000 words I put into it so far lol....
I have a habit of always doing this. I like to generate thought. Which is something else I should say, I like to encourage though, deep discussion, and in a sense conflict(civil) that creates a wealth of information that really benefits us all.
barnzy7
rome wasnt built in a day
My apologies, I tallied it up and I am at about 2,000 words I put into it so far lol....
I have a habit of always doing this. I like to generate thought. Which is something else I should say, I like to encourage though, deep discussion, and in a sense conflict(civil) that creates a wealth of information that really benefits us all.
No worries, I didn't mean it like that. I read the entire thing including your scenario. In all honesty I agree with the majority of the things you said. To be honest, the one thing I struggled with and kept going back to was the teacher and the warehouse worker, who am I to decide between them, some teachers molest their students, I have no idea what they do. But the rapist, that's the one thing that really gets to me. His ass would be thrown back into the pit.
I do think nature is trying to protect itself, I do not think politicians should be saved, I really don't think anyone should, thats including scientist. No one deserves to decide the fate and play god. We have all scene what happens when you mess around with and try to change things that should not be. On a smaller scale i'll give this example. The mosquitos in VA are bad, so we bring in lady bugs, but then the residents complain because we don't like that many lady bugs, so we bring in stink bugs, no we are over run and don't like them. well here's the problem, animals don't like them either, they have no predators, so now we're stuck with the consequences of trying to change nature for our own benefit. has never worked and will never work. there will always be a negative side effect that comes from it.
People, just like every other living organism on the planet should, and will die. That's the way we were made, it is in our genes to grow and then die.
barnzy7
rome wasnt built in a day
I mean the thing is 200yrs ago there may have been people saying ant-biotics shouldnt be used, no we are that advanced that they are the norm and we are moving further and saying the same thing. I think its one thing to improve the quality of life which many anti-biotics do as well as many medical procedures, i think its an entirely different thing to somewhat indefinitely extend life.
Like I said every single thing we do has a reaction. I can see this one playing out for the bad just my opinion
Like I said every single thing we do has a reaction. I can see this one playing out for the bad just my opinion
Phatbastard
Knowledge Equals Results
Zero-----------
I'll give you my answer! I take the Venum serum and MRS P we continue hiking and go procrete a population that isn't dumb enough to fall in the pit in the first place!
Take your Bible and judgmentle fucking atitude to bible study and keep it there!
MOst of historys wars are started over religious beliefs! Everyone thinking there way is the only way and you will burn in hell if you don't comform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only thing that pisses me off more than this is the ignorant fucks in government that think they need to tell me how to live!
If you choose Religeon to make your life great than fine! Have no problem with that. But keep your Ignorant fucking opinions to your self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some people like my self have confidence with in and do not need to fallow a fuckin pipe dream to be all u can be.
Yeah your god all mighty fuckin bull shit!!!!!!!!!!! What did he do for the over 5000 soldier that have already died in Iraque and the over 5000 more that made it home and comited suiced because of what the had to endure over there! Where was your fucking god for these people! That gave the lives trying to better humanity! So you can come on here a preach your fucking BULL SHIT????????????????????????
I'll give you my answer! I take the Venum serum and MRS P we continue hiking and go procrete a population that isn't dumb enough to fall in the pit in the first place!
Take your Bible and judgmentle fucking atitude to bible study and keep it there!
MOst of historys wars are started over religious beliefs! Everyone thinking there way is the only way and you will burn in hell if you don't comform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only thing that pisses me off more than this is the ignorant fucks in government that think they need to tell me how to live!
If you choose Religeon to make your life great than fine! Have no problem with that. But keep your Ignorant fucking opinions to your self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some people like my self have confidence with in and do not need to fallow a fuckin pipe dream to be all u can be.
Yeah your god all mighty fuckin bull shit!!!!!!!!!!! What did he do for the over 5000 soldier that have already died in Iraque and the over 5000 more that made it home and comited suiced because of what the had to endure over there! Where was your fucking god for these people! That gave the lives trying to better humanity! So you can come on here a preach your fucking BULL SHIT????????????????????????
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Phatbastard
Knowledge Equals Results
Sorry MR Pinga had to barrow the wife to prove a point!
