Best for long cycle?

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paulmancan

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For someone who for whatever reason wants to go on for 6 months straight is there any difference (recovery purposes) what they take? Obvioulsy not 17AA's. Some would say tren is hard on kidneys (no evidence?) and should be out. Seems some people run long EQ cycles....so what is recommended and why? Thanks!
 
6 months straight sounds like a bad idea something will probably happen to you. I saw a story on ESPN sportscenter a while back about a baseball player who got brain cancer from steroids. He died a year later. Strang thing was in the same story same show same episode he was like. "wheres the evidence that steroids are harmfull" "where are the bodies" and so on. after they showed someone who got brain cancer and died from them...
 
That is totally unproven and you should not make those assumptions!! They cannot directly link steriods to brain cancer!!
 
mods should ban that guy :P for those who don't know Lyle Alzado is the one that blamed his brain cancer on juicing. The guy was a real rocket scientist.

Back to the orginial question.... is there a preferred choice for long cycles? I see NS did a 5 month EQ cycle (+ god knows what else LOL.)
 
The longest cycle I stay on is 16 weeks. I was on for a long time and i am still feeling the sides from it. I went for a blood test 3 months after cycle test levels were still low i am going for another blood test this month. The doc wants to see were i am. I would go no longer than 16 weeks.
 
Lyle Alzado is the guy. Its a true story you can dl the show online. Search for like expn steroid video or something. I belive that it is resonable to assume that if you are a healthy proffesional athlete; then you start taking steroids and get brain cancer and die less than a year later. What has changed that could have effected his health that way? it dosnt take a rocket scientist to make an accurate guess. No i do not know how steroids work i am not a biochemist. but i do know that steroids are synthetic hormones made in a lab. they are not identicle to hormones produced by your body naturally either. i also know that hormones send signals to other cells. Cancer i know is abnormal growth of cells. It looks to be closely related to me. your injecting synthetic chemicals into your body telling your body what to do. So i think if you are doing this, then you get brain cancer and die it is reasonible to assume. still its ironic that steroids can be used to treat brain cancer. Steroid have been shown to cause cancer however in some cases. I think that you can not afford to not make that assumption if you plan to use steroids. because if you get cancer you cant get rid of it.
 
even if steroids do not cause brain cancer directly it has been shown many many times that steroids repress immune function. Your body will not be operateing the way it is intended. So either way steroids could very well be the cause. to put it another way if that guy never used steroids he wouldnt have gotten brain cancer.
 
to put it another way if that guy never used steroids he wouldnt have gotten brain cancer.
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This may come as a shock to you, but normal people develop brain cancer as well without a specific reason. So do steroid users. Might as well be because he held his cellphone too close to his head. Did you know his own doctor confirmed his cancer was not connected with his steroid use? Probably not. There isn't even anecdotical evidence of cancer with millions of other users worldwide, let alone a single study that could make any link (and yes they have been done).
 
As for your original remark, yes, 6 months on wouldn't be a bright idea. But mainly because of HPTA, recovery and fertility issues.
 
my friend died when he was 16 yrs old from brain cancer. Steroids didn't cause his brain cancer.
As far as Alzado goes, My understanding is that he developed a brain tumor and the massive amounts of growth hormone may have caused it to grow more rapidly. Neither GH nor Steroids were the initial cause of it.
 
Did you know...

*Vitamine A can cause cancer (Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 96, No. 23, 1743-1750, December 1, 2004)
*Vitamine E can cause cancer (EurekAlert, 18 Oct 2004; U.S. National Cancer Institute and National Public Health Institute of Finland)
*Flaxseed oil can cause cancer (The Herald-Dispatch, 16-1-2004 and http://www.prostateforum.com/Flaxseedoil.pdf and http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/9/3/335.pdf and many others)
*Chromium picolinate can cause cancer (Irma Mulyani, Aviva Levina, Peter Lay. Chromium (III) complexes used as nutritional supplements: structures and reactivities. Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry 96 (2003) 196.)
*ZMA causes cancer (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12837837)
*milk causes cancer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/..._uids=16492906&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum and many others


*Steroids do NOT cause cancer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=14648709 and many others
*Steroids DO cause cancer:
Lyle Alzado's own opinion; tabloids.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to make you think about things.
 
For someone who for whatever reason wants to go on for 6 months straight is there any difference (recovery purposes) what they take? Obvioulsy not 17AA's. Some would say Tren is hard on kidneys (no evidence?) and should be out. Seems some people run long EQ cycles....so what is recommended and why? Thanks!
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A base of test for sure. You are right not to include tren for a 6 month duration. Boldenone is usually used in the longer cycles and seems a good choice. Personally I'd steer clear of 19-nor Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) like deca and tren altogether for this. It's probably wise to use small dosages Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to prevent atrophy during cycle, instead of trying to recover from it after 6 months. post cycle therapy (pct) would be standard post cycle therapy (pct), although the length of it will probably need to be increased.
 
Thanks guys. On a different note, post cycle therapy (pct) scares me. Everytime I try to plan post cycles I end up skipping post cycle therapy (pct) because when I compare the various arguments I conclude in agreement with those who claim that the absolute best clomid/nolva/HCG "regimens" do is stall the crash a bit longer and increase testicular mass.
 
If I were going to do a 6 months cycle I would do it like this

TEST C 400mg 1-5weeks
600mg 6-10weeks
800mg 11-15weeks
1000mg 16-20weeks
400mg 21-24weeks
1-21 gains will keeps coming and the last 4 weeks is for maintence and for your body to get used to the new wieght.

Hope this helps
 
Why vary the test so much? If I were going to do a long cycle, I'd run 500 mgs of test each week for however long, and then just run other compounds alongside it occasionally. Like maybe Tren for the first 6 weeks, then 6 weeks with nothing but the test, then deca or whatever. That's if I were going to do a long cycle, which I probably never will.

Run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with that to ward of testicular atrophy... Keep plenty of nolva or clomid (or both) in case you have to stop cycle early.
 
Behemoth said:
Why vary the test so much? If I were going to do a long cycle, I'd run 500 mgs of test each week for however long, and then just run other compounds alongside it occasionally. Like maybe Tren for the first 6 weeks, then 6 weeks with nothing but the test, then deca or whatever. That's if I were going to do a long cycle, which I probably never will.

Run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with that to ward of testicular atrophy... Keep plenty of nolva or clomid (or both) in case you have to stop cycle early.
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B/C your body will build a resistance to the dosage.
 
tolkinopensolen ! If you are against steriods get off the board! None of us have time no patience to talk to people like you so do me and everyone else a favor find another board! Oh and if you believe that guy who clams steriods gave him brain cancer and he has no proof of it YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!
 
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