Ok. Ask cashout about this. He is very knowledgeable with it. I've never had any side effects from either of them but my understanding is that both take 90 days to be in full effect so to speak and obviously the longer on the better results but I started 30 days before my cycle and it worked fine.
Best OTC hair loss prevention drugs
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LANDSCAPE1
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Word. Yea, i need somn i get oily as hell on some prop! (w 2 showers a day)
It takes a while for both fina and duta to be effective in in the body.
In a 2006 study, blood concentrations of DHT were taken to assess the rate of DHT decline.
At max suppression of serum DHT levels occurred by the 6 week mark. So, as User wrote - give it at least 30 days.
What else where you using at the time? On cycle? What was it?
LANDSCAPE1
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Wasnt taking anything/nothing else. . . Just was reving up for a cycle, then noticed that and discontinued about 6 weeks in. I have a family member whos been on it 2 years no problems wse. I know duta is stronger, but i look like a greasy bastard on some prop/and im in love w prop.
I had a little shedding w deca. I was grubbing alot of saw palmetto atm too. I found out thats a no-no(w deca) so who knows.. Im out on deca though. I also ran spiro w the deca, and could never find out if that works/or hinders/is bad?
I now need to run somn cause im pretty thin on top... along w spiro, sawp, nisim shampoo, biotin
I also am pretty sure that nizoral 1% made me shed a little too. Some people might call bs but-
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Duta will help some with the oil. It inhibits Iso I which is predominant in the skin and surrounding tissue - i.e. oil glands. Much of the source of oil and acne from steroid use is the result of DHT stimulation of the sebaceous oil glands and results in overproduction. This creates a perfect breading ground for anaerobic bacteria and pow - acne.
In 16 years of experience with fina, I've not had anyone tell me that they noticed a decrease in ejaculate volume. So, I am at somewhat of a loss on this one. Obviously, I am not saying it couldn't happen; I've just not seen it before.
LANDSCAPE1
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Makes sense.... Like i stated earlier, a family member runs it no problems. Im in my 30's and feel like im very intune w my body. Its like i was "on" or "shutdown" when this happened
Thanks for all the feedback
Correct - <2% of users of fina report some form of ED so LAND's comments have a basis in the literature. I'm just more accustom to seeing it described by users as performance-related than ejaculate volume. Again, it is certainly plausible.
That is good to know because I see so many people who refrain from it's use because everyone thinks it will cause ED when it's essentially a very small population and I'm not convinced that some of those who do experience ED had some other issue leading to it, or adding to.
That is the most important thing to remember about these types of studies. They are looking at the general population of user who are reporting on the drug. They are not all healthy, active, weight lifters or bodybuilder.
Many are using/do use other drugs during their reporting period. We know that that are strong interaction effects between drugs like statins.
My personal hypothesis is that if we could stratify the sample of users in to health "bodybuilder" types - we would see a different % reporting ED related side effects.
BigBlackguy
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Definintely try nizoral. It's OTC at 1% concentration. It's simply a shampoo with an active ingredient that block DHT at the scalp. It's not systemic either (or atleast very little of it gets into the system). Toco-8 can help as well by keeping hair/scalp healthy. I'm also inclined to believe a resveratrol+circumin combo can help with hair by eliminating inflammation, but I have yet to try it. Soon, though!
LAND, it took me a while but I cut the meta data and looked through a bunch of the individual studies and I have some support for your decreased ejaculate volume.
In the 92 studies that I have available at this time, I found reports of a decrease in volume by a few individuals. The exact rate of occurrence was as follows for each of the reported side effects...
Decreased libido - 1.8 percent
ED - 1.3 percent
Decreased ejaculate volume - 1.2 percent.
So there you have it! It is certainly plausible albeit in a very small percentage of the population of users - just like the other sides.
Hairloss is the toughest thing to combat.
The only thing that will, really give the least sides are the shampoos that really have a good effect from what I hear. Even they can make your hair look bad.
I am lucky enough not to be prone, but I went all crazy once and thought I was really losing hair, lol.
The only thing that will, really give the least sides are the shampoos that really have a good effect from what I hear. Even they can make your hair look bad.
I am lucky enough not to be prone, but I went all crazy once and thought I was really losing hair, lol.
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Excellent...citations?
LANDSCAPE1
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Since we are on the subject. I had mentioned earlier i also felt like I shed on Nizoral. Ive been using Nisim shampoo(claims to rinse away like 90& of dht from the scalp), also heard good things about Nioxin, Castille/ pepermint Castille soap. I have searched and only found "reviews", no science to prove any of these work? If u could help in this regard, i think it would also help alot of people out there.
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bobistheman
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Stay away from dbol, anadrol, tren, winni, etc. These all are harsh on the hair. Test and deca and anavar would be your best bet imo for a safe hair loss cycle
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