Beta-alanine the next big thing

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When beta-alanine enters the muscle cell, it becomes what we call the "rate limiting substrate" to carnosine synthesis. By rate limiting, we mean that without beta-alanine, carnosine does not get produced.

So why is carnosine so important? Carnosine is a dipeptide found mainly in fast-twitch muscles whose primary function, as far as you and I are concerned, is buffering hydrogen ions (H+).

Buffer H+, and you prevent pH levels in muscle from dropping to low levels (more acidic). Low acidity creates that "burn" in your muscles, causing fatigue and forcing you to muscular failure (also known as the end of your set). In a more acidic environment ATP is less effective and the release of calcium, a key component to muscle contraction, is hindered substantially.

With higher carnosine levels in muscle, however, you can prevent the drop in pH. With H+ buffered, you continue to squeeze out reps, prolong a high intensity run, or you simply lift heavier weights for more reps.

So why not just double up on the carnosine? First of all, carnosine is not absorbed effectively in humans. When ingested and digested, only a small amount remains intact, but that in itself creates problems. The intact carnosine is hydrolyzed into histidine and beta-alanine, which is then taken up by skeletal muscle and synthesized back into carnosine.

Because of the initial hydrolysis, the ingested carnosine does not remain intact when taken up into muscle. The only value you gain by ingesting carnosine is the beta-alanine that's formed, since it's the beta-alanine that can "remake" carnosine in muscle. As such, it makes a whole lot more sense to take your beta-alanine straight!

In 1992 Dr. Roger Harris conducted a breakthrough study on creatine supplementation. He showed that you can take creatine monohydrate orally and it will find its way into your muscles.

Harris is at it again, this time with beta-alanine. He showed that you can take it orally and boost your muscles' carnosine synthesis by 64%.

The researchers compared this to an actual "infusion" of intact L-carnosine and found that taking beta-alanine was just as effective! In other words, adding intact carnosine adds no further increase than what beta-alanine can give you alone.

What about histidine? They also confirmed that an infusion has no effect on carnosine synthesis. It's strictly the availability of beta-alanine that determines the amount of muscle carnosine synthesis.

Recently, scientists have demonstrated that high intensity- high volume training can significantly increase muscle carnosine concentrations in untrained subjects. In 2004, Dr. Suzuki and colleagues discovered a strong relationship between carnosine concentrations in muscle and high intensity exercise performance — the more carnosine you have in your muscle, the more you can lift, run, or bike.

But here's what's really interesting: Dr. Harris and colleagues discovered that for highly trained athletes, carnosine levels only increase with beta-alanine supplementation, not with additional training.

In other words, if you work out, your carnosine levels will eventually plateau, and they aren't going to get any higher with more training. They can only be increased with beta-alanine supplementation.
 
How Well Does it Work? (Show Me The Science!!)

Now that we know it's much more effective physiologically (and financially) to take beta-alanine instead of carnosine, let's take a look at some studies. First, we need to know if beta-alanine supplementation can really increase carnosine levels, and if so, how effectively and how fast.

Harris speculates that at normal levels, carnosine contributes to roughly 20% of the buffering capacity in muscle. He believes if you can double carnosine levels with beta-alanine supplementation, you also double your muscles' buffering capacity.

The Harris study I mentioned above reported an impressive 64% rise in muscle carnosine levels. This occurred after just four weeks of supplementing 4 to 6 grams per day of beta-alanine.

After ten weeks, however, carnosine levels had risen 80%. (Similar to creatine, beta-alanine takes a little time to build up in muscle.) Interestingly, the sharp rise in carnosine levels was present across all muscle fiber types - Type I, IIa, and IIb (slow and fast twitch). This would lend further credibility to the belief that beta-alanine can benefit all types of athletes, regardless of their mode or intensity of exercise.

Another study, by Dr. Hill and colleagues, examined the effect of beta-alanine supplementation on muscle carnosine levels and exercise performance in untrained men. In double-blind fashion, twenty male subjects (19-31years) supplemented either 4.0g beta-alanine or a sugar placebo for the first week, then up to 6.4g for an additional nine weeks.

By week four, mean carnosine levels increased by 58%. Six weeks later, they rose another 15%. As for performance, the researchers also recorded a 16% increase in total work capacity during cycle ergometry.

Beta-Alanine vs. Creatine

My colleagues and I recently examined the effects of beta-alanine and/or creatine supplementation on physical working capacity at fatigue threshold (PWCFT) in untrained young men. The male subjects (19 — 30 years) consumed either:

1) 1.6g of beta-alanine 4 times per day for 6 days, then 3.2 grams per day for 22 days.

2) 5g creatine monohydrate 4 times per day for 6 days, then 10 grams per day for 22 days.

3) Beta-alanine and creatine Combo.

4) Placebo (maltodextrin).

The results revealed a 28.8%, 11.3%, and 11.0% increase in PWCFT for the beta-alanine, creatine, and the combo, respectively. Very Impressive! Beta-Alanine increased PWCFT 61% greater than creatine on just roughly 3.2 grams a day.
 
so, it's better than creatine? and it's better used alone than if used in a combo with creatine? do you need to cycle this?
 
- Take it with Creatine or alone. With creatine you will see the best results.

- As with creatine, I don't see a reason why you would need to cycle it.

- Its a newer product, so there isn't a whole lot of feedback around the boards right now.

I'll be a guinea pig for the board when I order some.
 
Easto said:
- Take it with Creatine or alone. With creatine you will see the best results.

- As with creatine, I don't see a reason why you would need to cycle it.

- Its a newer product, so there isn't a whole lot of feedback around the boards right now.

I'll be a guinea pig for the board when I order some.

i'll do it too..but being on is gonna limit my feedback as that variable will be responsible for most the gains. Maybe there is a synergetic effect? I'm gonna look for some more research on this as what you posted looks almost like an ad, no offense
 
It was taken from another website....

Like I said, its a newer product so it is hard to find research on it right now.

There are a bunch of guys on intensemuscle that are using it and seem to like it. I'll be picking some up in the next couple weeks and I'll let you know how it goes.
 
Here's something on Carnosine...

1: Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1998 Nov 20;854:37-53. Links
Pluripotent protective effects of carnosine, a naturally occurring dipeptide.Hipkiss AR, Preston JE, Himsworth DT, Worthington VC, Keown M, Michaelis J, Lawrence J, Mateen A, Allende L, Eagles PA, Abbott NJ.
Molecular Biology and Biophysics Group, King's College London, Strand, United Kingdom. alan.hipkiss@kcl.ac.uk

Carnosine is a naturally occurring dipeptide (beta-alanyl-L-histidine) found in brain, innervated tissues, and the lens at concentrations up to 20 mM in humans. In 1994 it was shown that carnosine could delay senescence of cultured human fibroblasts [[wikipedia: A fibroblast is a type of cell that synthesizes and maintains the extracellular matrix of many animal tissues. Fibroblasts provide a structural framework (stroma) for many tissues, and play a critical role in wound healing. They are the most common cells of connective tissue in animals.]]

. Evidence will be presented to suggest that carnosine, in addition to antioxidant and oxygen free-radical scavenging activities, also reacts with deleterious aldehydes to protect susceptible macromolecules. Our studies show that, in vitro, carnosine inhibits nonenzymic glycosylation and cross-linking of proteins induced by reactive aldehydes (aldose and ketose sugars, certain triose glycolytic intermediates and malondialdehyde (MDA), a lipid peroxidation product). Additionally we show that carnosine inhibits formation of MDA-induced protein-associated advanced glycosylation end products (AGEs) and formation of DNA-protein cross-links induced by acetaldehyde and formaldehyde. At the cellular level 20 mM carnosine protected cultured human fibroblasts and lymphocytes, CHO cells, and cultured rat brain endothelial cells against the toxic effects of formaldehyde, acetaldehyde and MDA, and AGEs formed by a lysine/deoxyribose mixture. Interestingly, carnosine protected cultured rat brain endothelial cells against amyloid peptide toxicity. We propose that carnosine (which is remarkably nontoxic) or related structures should be explored for possible intervention in pathologies that involve deleterious aldehydes, for example, secondary diabetic complications, inflammatory phenomena, alcoholic liver disease, and possibly Alzheimer's disease.

PMID: 9928418 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
alanine is not much of an ergogenic aid by itself. However, when it enters the muscle cell, it becomes the rate limiting substrate to carnosine synthesis (1). In fact, Harris (2) reported that 4 weeks of supplementing beta-alanine (4 to 6 grams per day) resulted in a mean increase of 64% in skeletal muscle. Supplementing L-carnosine can also increase skeletal muscle carnosine concentrations. Once L-carnosine enters the digestive system, it is hydrolyzed into histidine and beta-alanine, which is then taken up by skeletal muscle and synthesized into carnosine (2). Due to the immediate hydrolysis, carnosine can not be taken up into the muscle intact.

Carnosine, found primarily in fast-twitch skeletal muscle, contributes to buffering of H+ thus attenuating a drop in pH associated with anaerobic metabolism. Interestingly, carnosine concentrations in athletes, such as sprinters, appear to be significantly higher than those of marathoners, untrained individuals, and the elderly (2). Furthermore, intense physical training is capable of increasing muscle carnosine levels. Twelve days of intense training of elite speed skaters has been shown to increase muscle carnosine content by 87% (2).

Suzuki et al. (5) recently examined the relationship between skeletal muscle carnosine levels and high intensity exercise performance. Suzuki et al. (5) reported there was a significant relationship between carnosine concentration and the mean power from a 30 second maximal sprint on a cycle ergometer. Basically, the higher the carnosine, the better the performance. In theory, increasing skeletal muscle carnosine levels (via beta-alanine supplementation or intense training) should increase buffering capacity, delay fatigue, and increase exercise performance.

Recently Hill et al. (3) examined the effect of beta-alanine supplementation on muscle carnosine levels and exercise performance in untrained subjects. In double blind fashion, twenty male subjects (19-31yrs) were supplemented either 4.0g beta-alanine or sugar placebo for the first week, then up to 6.4g for an additional 9 weeks. Muscle carnosine levels (via muscle biopsy) and work done were measured at weeks 0, 4, and 10 during cycling to exhaustion at 110% of estimated power max. Mean carnosine levels increased by 58% at week 4 and an additional 15% at week 10. Further, there was about a 16% increase in total work done during cycle ergometry at weeks 4 and 10.

In another study, Stout et al. (4) examined the effects of beta-alanine supplementation on physical working capacity at fatigue threshold (PWCFT) in untrained young men. In double blind fashion, subjects consumed either 1.6g of beta-alanine or sugar placebo four times per day for six days, then 3.2 grams per day 22 days. Prior to and following supplementation, the subjects performed an incremental cycle ergometry test to determine PWCFT, which was determined from bipolar surface electromyography recorded from the vastus lateralis muscle. The results revealed a significantly greater increase in PWCFT of 9% over placebo. The findings suggest that beta-alanine supplementation for 28 days may delay the onset of neuromuscular fatigue.

In conclusion, beta-alanine supplementation (3.2g to 6.4g per day) appears to elevate muscle carnosine levels and enhance exercise performance in untrained subjects. Future studies need to examine whether beta-alanine supplementation can increase muscle carnosine levels and exercise performance in highly trained athletes. Further, future investigations should also examine the combined effect of beta-alanine supplementation and training on performance.



References

1. Dunnett M., R. C. Harris. Influence of oral beta-alanine and L-histidine supplementation on the carnosine content of the gluteus medius. Equine Vet J. 30(Suppl): 499-504, 1999.



2. Harris R. C. Muscle carnosine elevation with supplementation and training, and the effects of elevation on exercise performance. (Presented at the International Society of Sports Nutrition Annual conference, 2005, New Orleans.).



3. Hill C. A., R. C. Harris, H. J. Kim, L. Boobis, C. Sale, J. A. Wise. Theffect of beta-alanine and creatine monohydrate supplementation on muscle composition and exercise performance. (Presented at the American College of Sports Medicine Annual conference, 2005, Nashville.)



4. Stout J. R., J. O’Kroy, M. Mielke, R. Zoeller, D. Torok, J.T. Cramer, and B. S. Graves. Effects of 28 days of beta-alanine and creatine monohydrate supplementation on physical working capacity at neuromuscular fatigue threshold. (Presented at the International Society of Sports Nutrition Annual conference, 2005, New Orleans.).



5. Suzuki Y., I. Osamu, N. Mukai, H. Takahashi, and K. Takamatsu. High level of skeletal muscle carnosine contributes to the latter half of exercise performance during 30-s maximal cycle ergometer sprinting. Jap. J. Physiol. 52:199-200. 2002.
 
Beta Alanine: The Next Creatine?
The past decade has seen a boom in the supplement industry, with the new products cropping up on a weekly basis. Of course these products eventually fade, making way for "the next big thing." But despite dozens of these fly by night products appearing, and subsequently disappearing, in the past few years, we're basically left with creatine as the only gold standard performance enhancing supplement. I like to provide objective, scientific, often scathing reviews when it comes to supplements, and have left few survivors in my wake. This is why it is such an exciting time right now - the next gold standard may be upon us. It's called beta alanine, and if you use supplements, you could be using it for the next 80 years of your life.

What Is This Stuff?
Beta alanine (BA) is a naturally-occurring amino acid in our bodies, and is fairly unexciting by unexciting. The part we're interested in occurs when BA combines with another amino acid, histidine, to form a dipeptide known as Carnosine. This substance normally exists in our muscles, and acts primarily as a buffer to resist changes in pH. Over the past few years, research has been released showing additional benefits of Carnosine, which is what makes it intriguing for us. What's really amazing is that much like creatine, we can "load up" our muscles with Carnosine by supplementing with BA, and reap even greater benefits (6,7).

Buffers and Muscle Growth
At first glance, the buffering of lactic acid by Carnosine doesn't seem like a big deal. In fact, some may dismiss the true benefits by assuming that this simply means less of a burning sensation will occur when training. But of course, if it were as simple as that, you wouldn't be reading this right now. The reality is that increasing buffering capacity can not only improve performance, but has the potential to increase muscle growth and strength gains.
While it is intuitive that muscle fatigue and momentary muscular failure are a consequence of limited ATP (i.e. running out of energy), we can only deplete our ATP stores by a maximum of 20% (5)! It is actually a buildup of metabolic waste that limits our muscle contraction, with H+ being the worst offender. This is particularly true of our fast fibres, which are most sensitive to H+ and therefore highly susceptible to fatigue (5). If we were able to buffer the H+, we could maintain muscle strength for a longer time before fatigue sets in. This has implications for athletic performance where you'd have an edge of being better able to outlast opponents, and push harder before fatiguing. In fact, this ability to work harder for longer has been demonstrated to correlate directly with muscle Carnosine levels (6,13)! As far as training, the ability to push harder means a greater stimulus for adaptation for strength and muscle growth. This is especially true for the high threshold fast fibres, because these are the fibres that have the greatest capacity for Carnosine storage (8).

Carnosine and Fiber Type
Intramuscular Carnosine levels are largely fiber type dependent, in that; the faster the muscle, the more Carnosine it has (14). Taking this one step further, Carnosine itself contributes some of the contractile properties responsible for fiber typing. In other words, fast muscles may have specific contractile properties because they have a lot of Carnosine; and it is Carnosine that helps make them fast. This is supported by several studies showing that Carnosine enhances maximum contraction speed of fibres, meaning that our muscles can contract more quickly (1,15). From this, it stands to reason that fast athletes like sprinters are known to have more muscle Carnosine than endurance athletes (9).
The proper application of this concept is of critical importance, so let's look at it in another way. It is often cited that humans have three main fiber types, which are (slowest to fastest): "Type I", "Type IIA", and "Type IIB" (12). Unfortunately, this is a bit of a misrepresentation, because humans do not actually have the lightning fast and powerful IIB fibres. Instead, our fastest type is a slower version called "IIX" (12). Due to its ability to enhance contraction speed, increasing muscle Carnosine levels could conceivably move us closer to that IIB ideal! You can imagine the implications of this in everything from football to Olympic Weightlifting.

Additionally, fiber type is associated with the nerve that stimulates the muscle. Meaning that fast twitch muscles are associated with "fast nerves" and vice versa. This is true to the extent that if you "hook up" a slow nerve to a fast muscle, the muscle will actually transform into a slow type (11)! One of the contributing factors to making a nerve fast is the activity of an enzyme called the Na+-K+-ATPase. This is the enzyme responsible for maintaining the propagation of the signal down the nerve to its effector organ (such as muscle). Carnosine has been shown to not only enhance the activity of this enzyme (2), which could cause quicker muscle contraction, but also protect it against oxidative damage (3). Why do we care about this? Studies have shown the specific susceptibility of this enzyme to oxidative damage, which has been theorized to contribute to the observed decrease in Na+-K+-ATPase activity following exercise (4). This decrease in enzyme activity is associated with decreased force output and contributes to muscle weakness following exercise (4).


Exercise -> Oxidative Damage -> Decreased Na+-K+-ATPase Activity
Decreased Na+-K+-ATPase Activity -> Decreased Force Output -> Decreased Performance
If Carnosine levels are elevated, they may protect against damage to our nerves, allowing them to fire at a faster rate then if damaged. Practically speaking, instead of performing at 90% the day after exercise, Carnosine may help you perform closer to optimum level. This is particularly useful for athletes who are repeatedly using the same muscles, without the ability to simply rest and recover for a few days.


Enhanced Recovery
It is often thought that the recovery of the nervous system is slower than that of the muscle itself, which is why we occasionally need up to a week between training sessions on the same muscle group. Unfortunately, this discrepancy between recovery times could mean that our muscles are fully healed, adapted, and ready to go again, but the delayed recovery of our nervous system is holding us back. Because muscle tissue only maintains this hyper-adapted state for a short time, waiting for our nervous system to catch up could mean that we miss an opportunity to train when our muscle tissue is at its peak. By protecting nerve cells against oxidative damage, Carnosine may lead to synchronous muscle and nervous system recovery, and ultimately facilitate training while each tissue is optimized. This could not only provide a more powerful training stimulus (6,13), but the advantages of being able to train more frequently are clear. Granted, this is purely theoretical, but it is best to explore every theory when trying to understand a new supplement.
In terms of direct practical application, strength athletes and powerlifters are most concerned with neural recovery. This makes BA supplementation perfect for these athletes who want to keep the nervous system running quickly and efficiently.


Creatine and Carnosine
Although BA and creatine have been compared, it is often wondered how these two supplements would interact with one another. In actuality, these two supplements complement each other extremely well for enhancing performance. In fact, they fit together so well that there may be a synergistic interaction between them - that is that their combined effect may be greater than the sum of their individual effects. Additionally, both allow a person to work harder: creatine provides more energy and BA buffers the metabolic waste, which ultimately results in enhanced performance.

Steroid-Like Effects
One of the lamest marketing ploys used by supplement companies was the claim that their product would yield "steroid-like effects." No one is moronic enough to us this term now... but then again, does Carnosine supplementation yield steroid-like effects? By definition, YES it does! Now, does this mean that you'll quickly throw 50lbs on your bench or gain 10lbs of muscle in a week? Well not exactly, because the effects or BA supplementation are "steroid like" in terms of type of effects, not in magnitude.
This effect similarity is evidenced by the fact that BA will allow for increased work capacity and resistance to anaerobic fatigue. Again, revisits the idea that you can push harder to get a stronger stimulus for muscle adaptation (6,13). With regard to on-field performance enhancement, being able to resist fatigue while maintaining a high muscle force output will optimize the overall execution of your task - and your opponents.

Taking this one step further, it is interesting to note that among the factors influencing muscle Carnosine concentrations, androgens are critical. It has been shown that Testosterone levels regulate Carnosine concentration, with higher Testosterone resulting in greater muscle Carnosine (10). This means that the effects of androgens can be partially attributed to increasing Carnosine levels! Based on the similarity between types of benefits from both BA supplementation and androgen use, it shouldn't be surprising that the two are so closely related.

Even if you don't use BA during your cycle of anabolics, its necessity in Post Cycle Therapy is evident.


Potential Downsides
As with any new product, there is always concern about side effects, and rightly so! Fortunately, as a naturally occurring substance in our body, enhancing Carnosine levels has a predominantly positive effect. The only reported "side effect" is an initial tingling feeling in the hands and feet when too much is taken. This temporary effect is not unhealthy at all, but rather involves the mild stimulation of sensory nerves that dissipates with continued use. Interestingly, many athletes report that they enjoy this feeling for one reason or another, while some feel nothing at all. Taking smaller, more frequent, doses have been shown to completely abolish this effect (8).

Who Uses Beta-Alanine
Much like creatine, one of the strong points of BA is that its use as a supplement is widely applicable, by both athletes and those interested in changing their physique. The people who benefit most from BA supplementation are the same as those who benefit from creatine. These athletes play sports including: football, hockey, wrestling/MMA, track etc. The ability of BA supplementation to enhance contraction speed, even makes it useful for sports like table tennis, where quickness and agility are paramount. Of course, BA is perfect for people looking to gain muscle and strength - just like creatine. Finally, due to the potential of enhancing neural recovery, beta alanine supplementation works well for strength athletes and powerlifters.

Summary of Effects
In summary, the following effects are noted due to Beta Alanine supplementation:
faster muscle contraction

resistance to anaerobic fatigue

increased stimulus for strength/muscle growth

enhanced neural protection and recovery
Conclusions
There are few supplements around these days that we can actually trust, so it's pretty exciting when something like Beta Alanine comes around. With the numerous benefits to the human body, coupled with the observed increase in athletic performance, Beta Alanine is sure to be around for years to come!
For more information on Beta Alanine, including the best place to buy and dosing protocol, sign up for the Personalized Supplement Protocol at http://www.raisethebarr.net/services.php


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i remember reading about this stuff ages ago. never heard any reviews about it, so im not expecting much. Im going to order some from TP and see how I feel about it though.
 
I'll end up ordering some soon, but I am going to wait until I need more things. If I am going to pay for shipping, I might as well do it once, LOL.
 
adidamps2 said:
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You post there? But you have a grasp of english grammar, and you actually know things.

Maybe I should go back and check it out, but the last time I was there, it just reminded me of the playground outside of a McDonalds: I felt cheap and dirty just for looking at it. Waaaay too many kids.
 
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