Blood test results - WTF?!

[FreeMason]

DISCLAIMER: I'm 150 lbs, 5'10" - pure muscle and no fat. I leaned out back in December when the effects of the TRT / test wore off - Was around 162 lbs from Jun-Dec '12 last year when I started TRT. Was on TRT for around 11 weeks. Always been lean, and yoked my whole life. 36 yo

I'm completely lost here. I've been having morning wood since last August '12 when I got off TRT. I had a blast HCG/AI/Clomid/Nolva 3 week post cycle therapy (pct). Then I got on Nettle root, Avena Sativa, Saw Palmetto and Magnesium Oil.

Stopped everything slowly last month, Saw Palmetto was last to go about 2 weeks ago. Now just the magnesium oil.

Bloods were done Monday while fasting; WTF does it mean?

Test Serum - 379 ng/dL (348 - 1197)
Test Free - 14.97 ng/dL (5.00 - 21.00)
Test Free% - 3.95 % (1.50 - 4.20)

DHEA sulfate - 243.8 ug/dL (88.9 - 427.0)

Estrone - 57 pg/mL (12 - 72)
Estradiol - 20.3 pg/mL (7.6 - 42.6)

Estrogens, TOTAL - 131 pg/mL (40-115)

Progesterone - 0.6 ng/mL (0.2 - 1.4)


How is Estrone and Estradiol within range but "ESTROGENS TOTAL" is high?

And how am I still shedding hair 6 months after I got off testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? I don't know what my DHT is but I'm guessing it's probably at a decent normal level.

Sidenote*: Does propecia really kill the hair on the temples?

 

[SolomonGrundy]

please explain your TRT regiment, gel , injection, dose ? you should have not had issues that could not be adjusted to account for if you where seeing a doctor

 

[Spudstr]

Why did you get off TRT.. TRT is. for life...

 

[FreeMason]

TRT was

210 mg test E every 5 days with 5000 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before and 20 mg Aromatase inhibitor (AI) after - did this for 11 weeks. Had bad sides, hair shedding, needle phobia - gave it up.

I feel great ever since, was on that herbal shit for a while and hair was still shedding. Figured my estrogen was low, but that is obviously wrong...but then the effects of hormonal changes take a few months to take effect on the surface.

Bottom line, TRT wasn't for me. I found other ways to keep my libido and mood in the positive and it's working for me. I've namekhuda always been lean and muscular my whole life. So the idea that fat people have excess estrogen must only work for everyone but me. That and for the last 4 months on Saw Palmetto i've had raging boners every morning. So it must do the opposite on me as well.

Now i just want to understand what these blood results could mean seeing as how I'm not on anything but magnesium/zinc/msm oil and gave up saw palmetto 2 weeks ago. If anyone has an educated guess, i'll appreciate the feedback. (scratch that: I do a fair amount of Yayo - love that shit. Yayo boosts Dopamine)

 

[Megatron28]

Not sure what time of the day you had your blood test done, but it looks like you have low testosterone for a 36 year old. You may suffer from hypogodandism. You should redo a testosterone blood test first thing in the morning and also look at your LH, FSH, thyroid panel, vitamin D, and prolactin. All that "natural" stuff you are supplementing doesn't appear to be doing much for you. Even if you feel ok, there are long-term ill effects from having low T. An analogy is you may feel fine despite having high blood pressure or high cholesterol. But leaving them untreated for a long period of time would likely shorten you life and reduce your quality of life.

 

[FreeMason]

Not sure what time of the day you had your blood test done, but it looks like you have low testosterone for a 36 year old. You may suffer from hypogodandism. You should redo a testosterone blood test first thing in the morning and also look at your LH, FSH, thyroid panel, vitamin D, and prolactin. All that "natural" stuff you are supplementing doesn't appear to be doing much for you. Even if you feel ok, there are long-term ill effects from having low T. An analogy is you may feel fine despite having high blood pressure or high cholesterol. But leaving them untreated for a long period of time would likely shorten you life and reduce your quality of life.

This test was done Monday at 9am while fasting.

The previous test was done Feb 11 - 9am also fasting. I had just finished my 8 weeks of high protodiocin trib with chrysin, nettle and avena sativa stack. My free test was around the same and my e's were all low and my total serum test was 512 ng/dL. That was 6 months after getting off trt.

Hope that helps.

 

[SolomonGrundy]

wherent you offered options ? most docs always push gels first, how did you go straight to injections? 210 mg in one shot is a lot, in fact its tremendous for someone 162 lbs your test levels where over 1500 at that dose you should be on 100 mg a week , the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be 250 ui not 5000 thats insane .. was this a real doc or an online clinic ? and im lost on the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose. 20mg of what

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

Did you establish a baseline beforehand?

Also, as suggested a more comprehensive panel is required but from the sound of it your attempt to normalize the HPTA was a failure. This is very common considering the delicate timing required, it's like driving a stick-shift too much throttle or too little won't get you rolling and then there is the clutch

HPTA normalization is very complicated as you have to carefully calculate the remaining exogenous testosterone as well as account for the onset of the treatment medication.

 

[FreeMason]

Did you establish a baseline beforehand?

Also, as suggested a more comprehensive panel is required but from the sound of it your attempt to normalize the HPTA was a failure. This is very common considering the delicate timing required, it's like driving a stick-shift too much throttle or too little won't get you rolling and then there is the clutch

HPTA normalization is very complicated as you have to carefully calculate the remaining exogenous testosterone as well as account for the onset of the treatment medication.

Thanks for all of the responses.

I still haven't gotten an answer to the question in my original post:

Why is my free test so high when I haven't had any thing in my system besides saw palmetto (and magnesium oil) in the last month or more?

Why is my estrogen so high when my estrone and estradiol are within range and I have had anything in my diet besides the saw palmetto (and magnesium oil)?

Any educated minds care to enlighten me?

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

You Free testosterone is high because your Estrogen is high resulting in a lot of SHBG getting bound to E instead of T.

I don't know what kind of estrogen test you took and what "estrogens" they included so I can't comment on it. Your estradiol is considered in the higher range of normal for a male. Many consider 20-25 to be the "sweet spot" although it is different for everyone.

 

[CHOP]

Sidenote*: Does propecia really kill the hair on the temples?

Be very careful when considering DHT inhibitors, they can lead to higher levels of estrogen down the road and permanent side effects.

 

[FreeMason]

Sidenote*: Does propecia really kill the hair on the temples?

Be very careful when considering DHT inhibitors, they can lead to higher levels of estrogen down the road and permanent side effects.

That would make sense because I was using only Saw Palmetto after getting off all the other natural stuff for about 2 weeks. So my DHT was probably low but estrogen high.

You Free testosterone is high because your Estrogen is high resulting in a lot of SHBG getting bound to E instead of T.

I don't know what kind of estrogen test you took and what "estrogens" they included so I can't comment on it. Your estradiol is considered in the higher range of normal for a male. Many consider 20-25 to be the "sweet spot" although it is different for everyone.

As for the SHBG binding to more estrogen than testosterone I find that difficult to believe since of all the sex hormones, estrogen's affinity to SHBG is the lowest.

My blood test was the female hormone panel from privatemdlabs.com

And my Estradiol is 20.3 pg/dL, right in that "sweet spot" you're talking about. My Estrone is around 50, but within range, just my "Estrogens" which is 131, HIGH.

That's just weird.

So Estradiol is low or in a great range for me. And of course my test is piss poor. Back to blowing more rails I guess. Boost that Dope!