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Frustrated1

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Check it out, what do you think?
Just a partial until Monday for the estrogens, I have everything else. Test was taken 10am, fasting 12hrs before. This is on shot day (e5d), which I always do at around 6pm.

RBC 5.35 range 4.10-5.60 (I gave blood about 6 weeks ago)
Total Cholesterol 160 range 100-199
Triglycerides 149 range 0-149
HDL Cholesterol 35 range >39
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 30 range 5-40
LDL Cholesterol Calc 95 range 0-99
LDL/HDL Ratio 2.7 range 0.0-3.6
Total T 1436 range 348-1197
Free T(Direct) 46.4 range 6.8-21.5
PSA .5 range 0.0-4.0
TSH .915 range .450-4.500
DHEA-Sulfate 187.3 range 44.3-331.0
IGF-1 206 range 94-252
Estriol, Serum <.3 no range
SHBG 19.8 range 16.5-55.9

Seems that giving blood has nothing to do with my RBC count.
Triglycerides seem to be getting high, time for some omega-3
Total T seems high, probably should be reduced as I'm probably closer to 2000 later that day.
Free T (Direct) I think this is a different range than I'm used to seeing. Seems way high, which is probably good.
PSA .5, seems like no cancer.
DHEA-S, I'm a little dissapointed. Shouldn't I be striving for 300? Doesn't Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) help with this?
IGF-1, this is up 25% from pre HRT. Hell ya, but how is that possible?
SHBG, in the teens, good right?
 
Where did you get your bloodwork through, privatemdlabs? did you do a custom panel. Wait, maybe I'm remembering that you get a script from your doc for what you wanted tested?

Im' not sure about the questions, RBC some people on here donate e8w so if it's been 6 weeks then it's already close to time for you to do it again, maybe that's the reason it's high right now? Dhea do you take the supplements? There was a thread here that got bumped recently about you should take sublingual DHEA supplements and pregnenolone? are you doing that? I got the dhea supplements recently after reading that thread, people were saying it's a must-have if you're on trt.

everything else i'm not sure about,
 
Thanks guys.

Username1, which dhea are you using, and where should I get it? I'm not taking any dhea yet, but researched it last night. It's a must I agree.

Yea I'm thinking it's probably over 2000 after injection. Pretty high. I can't submit my labs until they're complete on Monday. But today is t day, should I just inject like 70% or inject the same amount and wait for Chip?
 
I got mine from amazon a manufacturer called, "Douglas Labs" makes them but, in another thread I think vitacost was also mentioned. You have to make sure to get the "sublingual" kind those are the ones that dissolve under your tongue don't get the pills apparently after the first liver pass they lose their effectiveness. There's also sprays, I found all the info here - http://www.steroidology.com/forum/testosterone-replacement-therapy/611092-dhea.html (thread link).
 
Thanks username1. My labs were done at LapCorp from a script from my Dr. I get the script, then get the blood work done.

So this is what I'm doing. I calculated back my TT from peak to be 2214 based on a 8 day half life. In reality the blood work was 8 hours prior to next injection, so it was probably slightly lower, still way too high for any extended period of time. So lets say I wanted the range to be 1700 to 1102, which is probably close to ideal. I calculated my levels to be at approximately 1107 if I just wait 3 more days. Then I'll drop my T to 80% of what I was taking. But my blood work should be here on Monday, so assuming I can get a hold of Chip, I'll just ask him. In any event I think this will get me pretty darn close. Any thoughts?
 
Got the rest today. My E2 is perfect at 25. I waited the extra 3 days. My math says 76% of what I was taking, so I decided to go an even 70% yesterday, maybe should have gone with 80% who knows. Anyways this has got to be pretty close. Looking forward to hearing from Chip, Steve, or Mike (faxed my blood work to them earlier today).

I also want to thank 3J for a rapid response to my email earlier. You've really gone above and beyond for everybody on here.
 
Vitacost has a dhea spay that works great., think it's 14bucks. I'm guessing your taking 200mg e5d? Might try 150mg and see where that gets you after a month and of course see what Maximus suggests.
 
Thanks guys. I did order 2 botles of dhea sublingual and 1x Pregnenolone sublingual from vitacost. Won't be here until friday though.

I'm inside of the normal test range now. I emailed Mike and should be going over protocol changes tomorrow. I still feel a little tired, don't know what's up with that. But I've had some pretty good days too.
 
I'm taking a multi vitamin. it has 9mcg which is stated to be 150% RDA. I'll talk it over w/Mike tomorrow hopefully. How much are you guys taking?

I'm really thinking that i have adrenal fatigue. As my stress levels are very high for the majority of time. Plus I can drink a coffee, and then go to sleep at night. Like 30 minutes or less later. Plus I'm a coffee junky. I pretty much always have one. I know 10 years ago or so I had a steroid prescription I think it was catabolic steroid. Tablet form day 1 5 pills, d2 4 pills, d3 3,2,1. I was like superman on that. No shit did I feel GREAT. I have no idea what it was, how it worked, or if that has anything to do with me now.

I've been eating better everyday. I eat fish 2-4x/week, salmon, tuna, talipia, etc. I eat veggies mostly green, I've dropped all fatty hamburg meat (got a lean roast meat and had it hamburgerized). I only have something like this 1x/week. Filet steak 1x week. I've become very intolerant of sodium, it makes me bloat badly. I do eat sweets, but less that I did, and when I do it it might be a couple dark choclates, that's it. Nuts if I'm real hungry. Extra glass or 3 of water a day, mearly no soda. OK so my diet sucks for some, for me it is the best that it's ever been.

I'm open to anything.
 
Did you notice getting more tired after you started your protocol if so, can you recall around which week? Several people are on B12 injections for tiredness/lethargy. I just take a complex B-50 vitamin but, I don't know if it does anything, I just take it regardless since they say once you're on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) your B12 levels will deplete/decrease so that's the reason they recommend B12 injections. I asked Chip back then if even if I'm on the conservative plan if I would need it, he said it helps in all protocols. I asked Steve if I should start on it, he said wait 3-4 weeks if you start feeling tired/lethargic then I could look into it but, I don't feel any different negatively/positively yet, I feel the same.

I think I also have adrenal fatigue but, I used to have it real bad when I used to drink a lot. Nowadays I'm always busy doing something which usually food related eating since I eat about every 2 hours or working out. Whenever I don't have anything to do and just sitting around I get pretty tired but, I've always been like this. Coffee doesn't do anything to me either so I just don't drink it. Though alcohol used to really get me lit so I think that's how I developed adrenal fatigue. I'm not going to get on B12 yet since it's not that bad again as long as I have something to do to keep me busy I don't fall into the fatigue.

I don't know I mean I'm not expert yet in this as I just started recently but, I asked about B12 for tiredness specifically and was told that on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) your B12 levels decrease by Steve and/or Chip. I had specifically looked into it since I had mentioned that I "normally" (before I started the protocol) get really tired as it is at times and I definately don't want it to get worst. Since once I fall into that zone I don't care about anything and do anything, like even making meals or even getting up out of my chair is a challenge. Thankfully, I'm not feeling like that so far so just going to continue how I have been. I guess when they go over your blood results you'll have more answers but, you could inquire about the B12 just incase for more info if you wanted.
 
Well the pregnenolone will help give you more raw material for hormones. Chrisler says that since HCG stimulates the pituitary, the p450 side chain enzyme, you can feed more raw material to the correct metabolic pathways, giving you a sense of well being.

This would mean that you would be using more preg at one production line, reducing the amount of cortisol and thyroid hormones you could produce, since there is recently a reduction in raw material.

your body turns cholesterol into pregnenolone then hormones.

This is what some (chrisler) believe to be the preg steal. some say it doesn't exist, some believe stress can cause it in a natural endocrine system.

I have seen guys respond well to it, especially when using HCG.

I have also seen guys switch back to cream because of this, not realizing supplementing pregnenolone may have solved their issue.........
 
Thanks THE-DET-OAK. I heard Dr. Crisler on the super human male. It was a good listen.

I appreciate the info, nothing like real world experience. I'll post results. I know I'm off in something, just not sure what. If this does the trickle down I should feel something once it goes to the correct pathway. At least this is my understanding. I'm on HCG now, and it makes me feel better. Nothing strong, but it seems to pick me up somewhat if I'm tired. I've also heard that Dr. Crisler puts all their patients on pregnenolone and DHEA.

I've reread what you posted several times. Would that cause problems if it reduces cortisol, or is this all body regulated so that you would get what you need?

Thanks for your input.
 
the bigger worry would be thyroid, i commonly see men on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) have problems with thyroid. just my experience. as far as cortisol being low, i don't know what problems that would cause. Im not saying its a miracle, just saying I've seen it work, help with fatigue. seems possible from your blood work too, that range is old and outdated, i think they are actually going, or trying to move it.

http://thyroid.about.com/u/ua/gettestedanddiagnosed/thyroid-tsh-range.htm

Low TSH and Weight Gain
I could sympathize especially with s.k. today; except I have not yet been diagnosed with cancer, but I have Hashimoto's Autoimmune disease. My doctor says my body cannot convert my T3 from my T4 and I agree. As soon as I took T3 and T4 my depression improved. However, two months ago I lost about 10 pounds and last month I gained 16 pounds. Now I am up to over 302 pounds and have trouble walking anywhere or going up any stairs. I have to drag myself up with handrails... I can hardly do anything. My TSH is always below normal at around .05 or sometimes lower. My FT3 and FT4 are in the normal range. When I asked the doctor about feeling better at a higher TSH of around 3, he knew about it and just giggled. I have two nodules, which have never been biopsied. I thought it was because I didn't look like it was cancer on the ultrasound and when I asked if he was keeping it low due to cancer, he giggled and said no. One pituitary specialist said my medications were too high and that is why TSH is too low.



its hard to tell from one blood test, its better to go off a ref range of your own. also is your T3 and T4 always good? could be anything, just giving you ideas to look into, and maybe monitor a little closer.


http://www.ccjm.org/content/77/11/803.full




Elevated human chorionic gonadotropin. Iodine 123 nuclear imaging studies are forbidden during pregnancy. Therefore, all women of childbearing age should have a pregnancy test before undergoing radioisotope imaging. If thyrotoxicosis from hCG is suspected (eg, in cases of hydatidiform mole or choriocarcinoma), ultrasonography of the uterus should be done to rule out a viable pregnancy before pursuing radioisotope imaging.
 
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Thanks THE_DET-OAK. Hope you get your weight gain/loss figured out.

My weight gain is really odd. I'm getting muscles, I'm getting definition on my sides (V shape), and my belly grows larger. WTF. But my belly is matching my face. Like a balloon.

Ok, I'm dizzy from looking at all my blood work. I've got stacks of blood work results. I need to put them in a spreadsheet. My TSH is ~.9 to 1.61. I don't see T3 or T4, but I did see free T3 which was 1.2 or so, right in the middle of range. Cortisol was also right in the middle of range. Funny thing is that SHBG went from 25 to 19.8. Sweet from being on HRT.
 
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