Blood Test Results.................

[Austinite]

Timing is not really important. I try to make sure that each time I take the test, I do it around the same time of day.

 

[Alpin]

Timing is not really important. I try to make sure that each time I take the test, I do it around the same time of day.

Bro, when I saw my chart I couldn't believe I gained 20 pounds since last Sept. This is no doubt from the lower endogenous T?
I was 295 lbs last appointment in July 2013. I'm 292 lbs now....
I came off T shots mid June 2012 and stayed on 0.25 mg Adex E3D since then. I ran 400 i.u. of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (3 times a week for 8 weeks) from June-September 2012 to get my system going.

 

[Alpin]

Well yeah, he should appreciate the study. Problem is you've been dealing with this it seems forever. It does not take that long to find the cause.

He keeps trying to dance around the issue of the T being low. He uses excuses like weight(which went 20lbs up after coming of T shots) to say they are causing my low T. He told me to cut out Bread completely to "lose weight" quicker.
I only eat 1 or 2 wraps a day for bread. I really think this doc does not know what the fuck he is doing....and he knows it.
What bothers me is he says he respects the lahey clinic Clomid study on the 178 male patients...but has reservations prescribing clomid himself because it is "off use" for men. BUT....
he said he has no problem with the Endo prescribing clomid and he supports it or anything else he might prescribe. He told me my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol of 160 mg/week was "high" when I use to take it. He was implying I was taking over board dose. What bothers me is he is ANTI-T shots, he told me to get off my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and let my body do it's own hormone producing. He said he does not believe in it as a medical doctor at his practice. He says he can get the same effect in patients by using Anti depressants to help their well being....without exogenous hormones.
what the fuck is this suppose to mean?
Sounds like he is playing politics....and I'm not in the mood for it.

 

[Jack Tors]

you needed to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) its mandatory IMO

ive been on clomid for 5-6 months straight. Post PCT i was using close to 50 a day, then 25 ED, now 12.5 ED. i read if your at higher than 25 EoD it can impact libido.

 

[Jack Tors]

He keeps trying to dance around the issue of the T being low. He uses excuses like weight(which went 20lbs up after coming of T shots) to say they are causing my low T. He told me to cut out Bread completely to "lose weight" quicker.
I only eat 1 or 2 wraps a day for bread. I really think this doc does not know what the fuck he is doing....and he knows it.
What bothers me is he says he respects the lahey clinic Clomid study on the 178 male patients...but has reservations prescribing clomid himself because it is "off use" for men. BUT....
he said he has no problem with the Endo prescribing clomid and he supports it or anything else he might prescribe. He told me my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol of 160 mg/week was "high" when I use to take it. He was implying I was taking over board dose. What bothers me is he is ANTI-T shots, he told me to get off my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and let my body do it's own hormone producing. He said he does not believe in it as a medical doctor at his practice. He says he can get the same effect in patients by using Anti depressants to help their well being....without exogenous hormones.
what the fuck is this suppose to mean?
Sounds like he is playing politics....and I'm not in the mood for it.

get a new fucking doctor hes wasting your time. only reason im not on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life is i want to have kids. maybe you should consider taking matters into your own hands. i would even consider using HGH w/ TRT

 

[PrayForMojo]

you needed to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) its mandatory IMO

ive been on clomid for 5-6 months straight. Post PCT i was using close to 50 a day, then 25 ED, now 12.5 ED. i read if your at higher than 25 EoD it can impact libido.

Do you have a link to this article?

And good luck Apollon. I hope you are able to successfully restart, keep us updated.

 

[Alpin]

get a new fucking doctor hes wasting your time. only reason im not on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life is i want to have kids. maybe you should consider taking matters into your own hands. i would even consider using HGH w/ TRT

Thanks for reply bro!
This is exactly what I'm talking about....
This family doc stuck his nose in to my TRT..told me to get off it without calling the other doctor one time to ask him what he thinks e.t.c.
My family doc told me: "I don't agree with him"
That option is also on the table...
I have a bottle of T ready, and scripts of T right here in my drawer.
But being off it all these months...I feel I owe it to myself to try something to get my natural production going.
I told the doc yesterday, you said last time you would give me a script for clomid....he was messing around with my file, reading the study, saying it was a good study and it seems highly respected. Then he says: "you just need to wait 1 month longer till I find you an endo, I need to be careful, lets say you get breast cancer from this clomid, you don't want me to be careful? he also continued: "what ever use clomid has in men it is off label, we need to tread very carefully as it is not FDA approved for men".....

 

[Alpin]

you needed to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) its mandatory IMO

ive been on clomid for 5-6 months straight. Post PCT i was using close to 50 a day, then 25 ED, now 12.5 ED. i read if your at higher than 25 EoD it can impact libido.

How do you feel?
was this given to you by a doc?

 

[Alpin]

Do you have a link to this article?

And good luck Apollon. I hope you are able to successfully restart, keep us updated.

I got it from Austinite, Let me try and dig it up...

 

[buffalojoe]

Doctor's are like mechanics, some of them are good some of them are not so good. He probably graduated with C's, go find the doc who graduated with A's.

 

[Optimal]

He keeps trying to dance around the issue of the T being low. He uses excuses like weight(which went 20lbs up after coming of T shots) to say they are causing my low T. He told me to cut out Bread completely to "lose weight" quicker.
I only eat 1 or 2 wraps a day for bread. I really think this doc does not know what the fuck he is doing....and he knows it.
What bothers me is he says he respects the lahey clinic Clomid study on the 178 male patients...but has reservations prescribing clomid himself because it is "off use" for men. BUT....
he said he has no problem with the Endo prescribing clomid and he supports it or anything else he might prescribe. He told me my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol of 160 mg/week was "high" when I use to take it. He was implying I was taking over board dose. What bothers me is he is ANTI-T shots, he told me to get off my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and let my body do it's own hormone producing. He said he does not believe in it as a medical doctor at his practice. He says he can get the same effect in patients by using Anti depressants to help their well being....without exogenous hormones.
what the fuck is this suppose to mean?
Sounds like he is playing politics....and I'm not in the mood for it.

Yeah, he's definitely playing the politics game... but you can too. Failure to treat a patient can look just as bad. I'm bad with dealing with people but I'm sure there's some subtle way to tell him "if you won't help me then either find an endo or find me another doctor." At this rate it doesn't really sound like he will follow through with the "1 more month" promise without incentive.

Honestly, I think it's BS that people still have to go through this in the year 2013... your blood tests + history **clearly** show an issue that needs treatment.

 

[Optimal]

Do you have a link to this article?

And good luck Apollon. I hope you are able to successfully restart, keep us updated.

I think this is the article?: Study shows clomiphene is suitable for hormone therapy

& the study: Outcomes of clomiphene citrate treatment in young hy... [BJU Int. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Nosy Parker]

This honestly sounds like hell my friend, you shouldn't have to suffer because your incompetent doctor is too timid to write a prescription. All that you need to try and restart is readily available, just find a new end and self prescribe what you need.

Parker.

 

[Alpin]

Yeah, he's definitely playing the politics game... but you can too. Failure to treat a patient can look just as bad. I'm bad with dealing with people but I'm sure there's some subtle way to tell him "if you won't help me then either find an endo or find me another doctor." At this rate it doesn't really sound like he will follow through with the "1 more month" promise without incentive.

Honestly, I think it's BS that people still have to go through this in the year 2013... your blood tests + history **clearly** show an issue that needs treatment.

My Free Test is way below normal and I have been complaining for 7 months. He said last summer stop the T shots and you're body will return to normal. I did everything he said and he is still putting blame on me saying to cut out bread....and its my fault that I gained 20 lbs since last Sept. 2012(when I was 2 months off TRT)....
Is there anywhere I can report him to?
He has ordered COMPLETE blood panels 8 times since last Sept 2012....he's not touching anything.
He now says: "Whatever the endocrinologist says to take, I'm fine with it"....he typed some patient info in the refferal form in front of me at yesterdays appointment and it said: "patient is interested in clomid therapy, he has study which corroborates it's effectiveness in use for young hypogonadal men"
But he won't prescribe it he said...because it off label and if I get breast cancer from it...he is actually doing me a favor he said.

 

[Alpin]

This honestly sounds like hell my friend, you shouldn't have to suffer because your incompetent doctor is too timid to write a prescription. All that you need to try and restart is readily available, just find a new end and self prescribe what you need.

Parker.

When I went in for my appointment to this G.P. a couple years ago while on T...he would carefully throw in his negative "two cent" comments toward me. Saying: "this doc says you need Testosterone" ? "he gives you arimidex too"? "why are you taking arimidex"?
I was on 160 mg/week of T... he said: "that's way too high"...start tapering off"!!
"we don't know the long term effects of testosterone treatment"...."you are artificially raising your neurotransmitters"...."we can do that with medication instead"......

the list goes on and on and on.

I know for fact he is BIG on pushing pills....I mean BIG!!!!!
He prescribes anti psychotic drugs to people who do not responds to SSRI treatment, he has even prescribed up to 8 medications of SSRI in some people...and they did not even look mentally ill!!!!
Anti psychotic seem to be over used in his practice... many people waiting in his lobby say so. People are fuming with him in the wait rooms. One guy walked into the office one day and said: "I can't even pick up a hammer at work"...."I'm suing this doc" e.t.c. He must have been on something really strong...he carried the meds in his hand when he walked in to confront the secretary....package said: "Zyprexa".
The guy was drugged out of his mind!!!! The wait times to see the doctor would be minimum 3-4 hours...
use to be that patients waited 6-8 hours all day at his office to see him years ago....
he has toned it down.

 

[Alpin]

I know many people that go to him and he tells people that the antidepressants he prescribes will make them as good as new....that they will give them energy. And when they don't respond to Typical SSRI, he starts going Trycyclic anti d's....then Anti psychotic drugs like Risperdal in small doses....

He keeps telling me to go back on wellbutrin...I say no thanks and I don't need it. He says it will help me not be depressed. I said: "when did I tell you I was depressed?
He says you have depression!
I never went to his office saying I was depressed. I had lack of energy many years ago, morning headaches, e.t.c. and he labeled me as depressed....when in fact I had Highly Severe Sleep Apnea...which he could give two shits to treat. I went in for sleep study on my own decision after my parents told me they seen me stop breathing and snore bad nightly.....

this man is just horrible!