Blood work labs no adex...................

[Alpin]

New labs on 50 mg E3D shots and once weekly 300 i.u HCG shot. 1 day from shot.
TT: 677
Estradiol: 216 pmol / l ( my link to endmemo not working to convert to pg/ml but normal range is below 157 pmol / l )
DHEA: 8.4 umol/l ( range: 2.41-11.6 umol / l)
TSH: 2.34
FREE T4 : 17 pmol / l ( range: 12-22 pmol / l )
FREE T3: 5.6 pmol / l ( range: 2.6-5.7 pmol / l)
SHBG 18 nmol / l ( range: 16-56 nmol / l )
PSA: 1.26
FREE Testosterone: 689 pmol / l ( range:196--636 pmol / l )
* Free Test was estimated from measured total testosterone and SHBG using Vermeulsen's algorithm.
Androstenedione: 7.8 nmol / l ( range : 2.1 - 10.8 nmol / l )
Progesterone: 1.4 nmol / l ( range : 1.0-9.4 nmol / l )

 

[Megatron28]

What was your bioavailable T at?

 

[Alpin]

What was your bioavailable T at?

Thats the only test that was not done.
He calculate it to be 16 ish nmol / l. ...

 

[Chiefy]

How are you feeling?

 

[Alpin]

Okish. Not terrible.

 

[Chiefy]

Okish. Not terrible.

Is an AI an option for you? A low dose might be a good idea.

Other than that, I don't see any glaring issues.

 

[Havasu]

Thats the only test that was not done.
He calculate it to be 16 ish nmol / l. ...

Using an Albumin constant of 4.3g/dL the below free/bio t calculator says

Free T = 19.9 ng/dL = 2.94 %
Bio T = 467 ng/dL = 69 %

Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator

 

[Alpin]

Is an AI an option for you? A low dose might be a good idea.

Other than that, I don't see any glaring issues.

I can use it....
but i think it gives me symptoms of mild anxiety. ..
took it last time 3 weeks ago and after a week felt kind of shaky when working it....lasted a few days.
can't say for sure.
tried low doses like 0.125 mg on day of shot...so E3D.
we aromatize differently on TRT. ...
that was regular assay at 58 pg/ml....
maybe sensitive is 38 pg/ml ????
No sensitive panel here available.

 

[Alpin]

Using an Albumin constant of 4.3g/dL the below free/bio t calculator says

Free T = 19.9 ng/dL = 2.94 %
Bio T = 467 ng/dL = 69 %

Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator

Are those good levels.

 

[Chiefy]

I can use it....
but i think it gives me symptoms of mild anxiety. ..
took it last time 3 weeks ago and after a week felt kind of shaky when working it....lasted a few days.
can't say for sure.
tried low doses like 0.125 mg on day of shot...so E3D.
we aromatize differently on TRT. ...
that was regular assay at 58 pg/ml....
maybe sensitive is 38 pg/ml ????
No sensitive panel here available.

Maybe you'd benefit from more frequent testosterone injections but of smaller doses. It seems that guys with low SHBG often prefer a protocol like that.

It definitely makes TRT less convenient, but it might be a viable solution for you.

 

[Alpin]

Maybe you'd benefit from more frequent testosterone injections but of smaller doses. It seems that guys with low SHBG often prefer a protocol like that.

It definitely makes TRT less convenient, but it might be a viable solution for you.

Isn't 50 mg E3D a low dose TRT already?
thats what I'm on

 

[Chiefy]

Isn't 50 mg E3D a low dose TRT already?
thats what I'm on

I was thinking more along the lines of injecting every day. Maybe every other day just to cut down on injections.

Sounds like a pain in the ass but I've seen other men with low SHBG achieve success on such protocols. Most prefer to go subQ to avoid the potential for scar tissue build up.

 

[Alpin]

I was thinking more along the lines of injecting every day. Maybe every other day just to cut down on injections.

Sounds like a pain in the ass but I've seen other men with low SHBG achieve success on such protocols. Most prefer to go subQ to avoid the potential for scar tissue build up.

Ya thats ridiculous though. Injecting 30 mg EOD...
any doc that hears that will say this guy is fucked...
lol...
one thing for sure if I'm sitting at 18 nmol / l for SHBG...
adex will lower it more....means more free test!
Dont know if its a good thing.

 

[Alpin]

Not sure how DIM would work here??

 

[Megatron28]

Ya thats ridiculous though. Injecting 30 mg EOD...
any doc that hears that will say this guy is fucked...
lol...
one thing for sure if I'm sitting at 18 nmol / l for SHBG...
adex will lower it more....means more free test!
Dont know if its a good thing.

Why do you think a doc would say that? What is ridiculous about Chiefy's suggestion? Why not consider/try it? Twice weekly injections vs. once weekly has a big effect on E2 for some guys. Stands to reason that more frequent may be beneficial as well in certain circumstances (although with likely diminishing returns). There are even several members of this forum that inject more frequently than twice weekly and say they have experienced very positive effects from doing so.

All I am saying is I wouldn't just flat out reject the notion as something ridiculous. And who cares what your clearly retarded doctor will say. Why even tell your doc what your true injection frequency is?

 

[Therealkozmo]

Get your ahi down so you can feel better

 

[Alpin]

Get your ahi down so you can feel better

2.5 now...

 

[Alpin]

Why do you think a doc would say that? What is ridiculous about Chiefy's suggestion? Why not consider/try it? Twice weekly injections vs. once weekly has a big effect on E2 for some guys. Stands to reason that more frequent may be beneficial as well in certain circumstances (although with likely diminishing returns). There are even several members of this forum that inject more frequently than twice weekly and say they have experienced very positive effects from doing so.

All I am saying is I wouldn't just flat out reject the notion as something ridiculous. And who cares what your clearly retarded doctor will say. Why even tell your doc what your true injection frequency is?

No ones arguing more frequent injections are better. I'm already E3D shots!. Chief was suggesting EOD shots at 30-40 mg a piece..lol
sheez.

 

[Alpin]

Get your ahi down so you can feel better

Kozmo your Test is in the 900's and natty! !!
Your processes are working better than many folks on here.
bet you have optimum Pregnenolone---> Progesterone---> DHEA. Treating the sleep apnea is like icing on the cake for many. It fine tunes everything where you will feel that much better especially with high natty Test.

 

[Albiedamned]

Not sure how DIM would work here??

Been reading for years guys and thought this might be a good place to jump in.

With my TRT protocol, my doc suggested DIM and Zinc daily and I was skeptical. I had seen my estradiol pop up to 56 pg/dL when I first started Trt and was convinced I needed to add an antI-E. My last lab work on 160mg weekly of test C and 350iu Hcg twice a week generated a Total test of 1156 ng/dL, free T of 18.3 pg/dL, and estradiol sensitive of 15 pg/dL. A bit too low on the estrogen. I'm now lowering the zinc and DIM dose to EOD and gonna retest in 3 months. My mind is whole heartedly change on DIM and zinc. It works without having to fear joint pain and the cyclic serum levels I'd probably fight with on arimadex.

Hope that helps Apollon. I really enjoy reading your posts as well as megatron's insights into hormone management. Good luck getting dialed in. It's worth the work.