bulking lean possible

[peanut]

I was wondering if anyone has been able to bulk relativly lean because i have started bulking and just put on a few so far but i feel like i am gaining a ton of pud around my midsection and the extra water is distorting muscle tone...i mean im not trying to be a queer but i dont feel like turning into a water balloon just so i can gain a couple pounds of muscle...does anyone have any suggestions for staying leaner and bulking or is it neccessary to get fat...

 

[THE BOUNCER]

I was wondering if anyone has been able to bulk relativly lean because i have started bulking and just put on a few so far but i feel like i am gaining a ton of pud around my midsection and the extra water is distorting muscle tone...i mean im not trying to be a queer but i dont feel like turning into a water balloon just so i can gain a couple pounds of muscle...does anyone have any suggestions for staying leaner and bulking or is it neccessary to get fat...

yes, i do it all the time. its a matter of eating a lot of clean food. eating just over the amount of cals that you body is burning is the key. it is much harder then eating a bunch of junk but it can be done.

 

[Suareezay]

no. noone has ever done it. ever.

you can keep calories lower on non-training days, eat the majority of your carbs PWO, maintain a slight caloric surplus, and gain weight slowly. youll be lucky to gain more than maybe 1-3 pounds of actual lean tissue per month, so any weight gain beyond that is surely going to be fat.

 

[peanut]

thank guys for both responses...i mean i am not a whale right now but i feel as though i am a bit bloated because sometimes i am not eating the cleanest foods...i find myself bloating from tons of strachy carbs and what not...my goal is to gain 10 pounds from my current weight this winter...do you think this is possible or an i setting the goal to high

 

[Suareezay]

assuming average genetics, a 1:1 muscle/fat gain is considered good, so 10 pounds, 5 of which being muscle, is definitely doable.

also, a lot of people jump into massive amounts of carbs and calories and a week later think theyve gained 10 pounds of fat overnight, when in reality its just water. Then again, a lot of fatties gain a shitload of fat on retarded bulks and assume its just water.

your best gauge for progress will be your gym performance, and the mirror. If strength is increasing, and you look good, chances are things are going the right way.

If you weigh yourself, make sure you do it consistently - preferably naked, in the morning after waking up, after going to the bathroom, and before eating or drinking anything. A lot of people weigh themselves at screwy times, with clothes and shoes on, after eating meals, etc and it makes tracking progress to any discernible degree impossible.

 

[darthtexan]

You might consider having two shorter workouts in one day instead of one. This will allow you to be able to have two post workout shakes in the day, which wont get converted to fat. Just make sure the two workouts are spread out far enough in the day and that they arent too long.

You might also consider completely seperating carbs and fats. For 3 meals, eat a little protein and TONS of nutritous carbs , and for the other 3 meals, eat a little protein with TONS of healthy fats. Breakfast should be a carb meal, the post workout shake should be a carb meal, and the last two meals of the day should be fat meals.

Im assuming you arent doing cardio since you are trying to bulk up. In order to cope with this, set up your program so that you are weightraing 5 straight days a week but are only directly working each muscle group once the entire week.

I agree that fat gain cant be avoided on a mass building program. Even metabolically gifted people like me will gain SOME fat on a bulk program. But hopefully this will allow you to minimize it.

 

[Suareezay]

1. carb and fat separation is bullshit.
2. training 5 days a week and doing a bodypart split is a shitty way to train.

 

[peanut]

thanks guys for all the adivice...i think i split things of pretty evenly with carbs and protien. I think that it may be a bit of water fluctuation in my body. too be honest i hate weighing myself in the morning because i legit weigh like 10 pounds less in the morning...So i dont think this is your true weight when your crazy dehydrated...so i weigh myself after i have some fluid in my body...maybe it makes me feel alot better but i dont know if other people have as mnay pounds of fluctuation as i do...well i am trying to do the 1:1 RATIO...I would love to gain 5 legit pounds...I am trying to go it natural for a lil while longer...i see so many Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users on here which get great results and it makes it so hard not to do it...i wanna give myself one more year of solid growth then hit it...anyways the advice was great and ill prob try both...

 

[viceman316]

1. carb and fat separation is bullshit.
2. training 5 days a week and doing a bodypart split is a shitty way to train.

can you provide us with a way that isnt shitty? Not for anything, but you keep referring to things ass "shitty" without recommending a better to back up your claim. This isnt me attacking or questioning your intelligence on the subject but rather asking you to share your knowledge- thats what this board is all about right?

 

[Suareezay]

can you provide us with a way that isnt shitty? Not for anything, but you keep referring to things ass "shitty" without recommending a better to back up your claim. This isnt me attacking or questioning your intelligence on the subject but rather asking you to share your knowledge- thats what this board is all about right?

well in reference to the egg white thread - the whole egg is the better alternative.

in this case, a whole body split, upper/lower, or push/pull/legs split will yield better results for the average natrual trainee than a bodypart split. generally you arent going to be able to recover with less than 24 hours between each workout. Plus devoting an entire day to Bi's/Tri's/whatever opens the door for a retarded amount of volume.

 

[adidamps2]

well in reference to the egg white thread - the whole egg is the better alternative.

in this case, a whole body split, upper/lower, or push/pull/legs split will yield better results for the average natrual trainee than a bodypart split. generally you arent going to be able to recover with less than 24 hours between each workout. Plus devoting an entire day to Bi's/Tri's/whatever opens the door for a retarded amount of volume.

agreed.

 

[viceman316]

noted! thanks guys