I'm just confused with running an AI/SERM together. I feel like that would be estro overkill. By your description the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) reduces it and the SERM blocks it. So the excess would be reduced through the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and newly formed estro or a rebound would be blocked by the SERM which sounds like you would produce no estrogen at all.
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AI is aromatose inhibitor-meaning it slows the process of testosterone converting to estrogen-therefore lowering it.
Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator-this has nothing to do with the level of estrogen in your system. it just blocks it
Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator-this has nothing to do with the level of estrogen in your system. it just blocks it
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IncreasedMyT @ ULV
with gyno the least of your worries should be low levels of estrogen.
YES
YES, but they are not direct stimulators like clomiphene.
generally yes, but a short stint of clomiphene after you get E and PRL under control might be advisable.
use of pramipexole or cabergoline will also help to restore HPGA as prolactin is a strong suppressor of the axis.
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yeah, I was being overly semantic, can prami cause ADD and OCD at the same time?
I was speaking in the something is wrong so we're bypassing part of the HPTA to boost test; not a lot of use for a 24 yo who hopefully won't need to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Hopefully he'll get his natural production to increase through another round of post cycle therapy (pct), during which you want natural LH to pick up so don't want to short circuit with HCG...
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yeah, I was being overly semantic, can prami cause ADD and OCD at the same time?
lol-yea maybe
Macro or anyone else knowledgeable.
Can you lay out how I go on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and then follow up with Clomid as you said?
Is there a difference amongst the AIs so EXE, Ana or letro?
Lastly, I did take Gaspari Novedex XT, is that an OTC AI? I feel like that may have screwed me after the prohormones too.
Can you lay out how I go on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and then follow up with Clomid as you said?
Is there a difference amongst the AIs so EXE, Ana or letro?
Lastly, I did take Gaspari Novedex XT, is that an OTC AI? I feel like that may have screwed me after the prohormones too.
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IncreasedMyT @ ULV
the pro hormones screwed you up-cause you waited too long for PCT
HCG is suppressive to your HPTA.
While running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) your body will stop producing or lower LH production. So when you stop running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) your testosterone levels will take a nose dive... why? Because your body will have to recover just like after running a AAS cycle. Your body has to start producing LH on its own again.
This same process happens when you take AAS but slightly differently.... Your body detects that testosterone is to high then tells your body to stop producing LH....
When you take only Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) your Testosterone levels will spike for a short period of time then your body will realize that your test is to high then will cut down on LH production....
So if you cycle just Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you need a PCT after...
On the other hand there may be a time when it could be used for TRT... Say if your body couldn't produce enough LH on its own but the Testes/leydig cells were fully functional...
But if your LH levels are high/normal and your Testes/leydig cells are fucked it wont do shit....or could do more damage to leydig cells...
You need to talk to a experienced endo or HRT/TRT doc.
actually many people do run post cycle therapy (pct), quite aggravating the issue (since they run tamox- as the PH whores love it-- of course they base such love on false assumptions... though that is a digression that is way too long to discuss in this thread.
clomiphene and pramipexole or cabergoline is among the best options for such HPGA restoral.
strong androgens and progestins (quite often the same things) tend to cause lasting PRL and PROG issues.
a little thread on pramipexole, more oriented towards gynecomastia though much is just as related to hpga
Pramipexole and prolactin suppression: prevention vs. treatment dosing - AFboard
too low is where issues begin
