calling experienced insulin users

[goku_kakarot77]

going to start insulin going to use actrapid its short acting, planning to use 5 i.u post work out and consume 10g of carb per i.u if this works out well i will up the dose to like 1-2 i.u i will always have suger on hand just in case i get hypo. i have educated my self on insluin so im aware of the dangers, i have been traning for 4 years my diet and training is spot on no need to ask me about that.

reason for the insulin use is that its the onyl thing i can get hold of untill next year, also im cutting atm and i would really like to help me maintain muscle mass.

my question is to you people who have used, what did you gain of insulin muscle, fat, lowered bf etc.. at what dosages too,
did you also experience hypo,
cause i have heard many different things

thanks

 

[Trevdog]

I have experienced hypogylcemia many times using 10 units of humalog or humalin R. Having said that, I have learned by trial and error (careful trial and error) that I don't really need 10 grams of carbs per iu, at least not all at once. My number is about 5, and then some time later (depending on how fast the insulin is) perhaps another 2-5 grams. 10 grams per iu is a relatively "safe" amount to use. I use the term "relatively safe" because insulin is not safe, period.

Sounds like you have done your homework. Still, be extremely vigilant. I remember once having a scare because I thought I had a bottle of gatorade in my car and didn't.

I gained muscle and some fat. I'm pretty skeptical that it will really be useful to you for cutting. I don't know that you'll get better results than you would with nothing at all.

 

[Rokomuscle1]

IMO.... it should not be used unless you make a living bodybuilding..... leave the shit alone.. too dangerous

 

[carolinacrackah]

Last cycle included Humulin-R. Started at 5 iu's post workout and worked my way up to 7 iu's 3times per day. I found I was able to go as low as 5 grams of carbs per iu...and could have possibly have gone lower but didnt try it.
Headaches were really bad the first few days but subsided. I would stick to standard recommendations though and be carefull.

 

[Eze]

I agree 100% with fantom.

With all the possible risks, it's not worth taking unless you are going to make lots of money with your physique.

Say you start to go hypo and you can't get any carbs down. Next thing you know you can't function and start to get confused and unable to help yourself. Now, you are not wearing a medical alert bracelette, so no one knows that you are having a insulin reaction.

By the time you get the right medical attention to check your blood glucose it could be too late.

In my line of work I have come across diabetics that have had very low blood glucose and went into a reaction (these are people that have been on slin for years and years and still things went south). You have no idea how bad it will fuck you up. IMO, it's not a good idea to toy around with slin, the gains are not worth the risk.

 

[HeartofaLeo]

my personal opinion... insulin users are crazy... Messes with your endocrine system? Side effects are way too high, why even take the chance? Stick some Test in ya bro's

 

[basskiller]

I have experienced hypogylcemia many times using 10 units of humalog or humalin R. Having said that, I have learned by trial and error (careful trial and error) that I don't really need 10 grams of carbs per iu, at least not all at once. My number is about 5, and then some time later (depending on how fast the insulin is) perhaps another 2-5 grams. 10 grams per iu is a relatively "safe" amount to use. I use the term "relatively safe" because insulin is not safe, period.

Sounds like you have done your homework. Still, be extremely vigilant. I remember once having a scare because I thought I had a bottle of gatorade in my car and didn't.

I gained muscle and some fat. I'm pretty skeptical that it will really be useful to you for cutting. I don't know that you'll get better results than you would with nothing at all.

Even then you should still be very careful.. 5 grams of carbs per iu one day may not be sufficient the next day.. There are variables like being really depleted to begin with.

So like trev said about the 10grams.. it's a good place to stat..
build slowly.. Cuase I was just reading a friend's post on another board where he normally does 10iu's PWO, but this day was bumping it up to 12iu's.. within an hour's time he felt the onslought of hypo coming on him.. he handled it.. but the simple fact is.. 2iu's over his normal did this to him..

be careful

 

[DocJ]

I was just reading a friend's post on another board where he normally does 10iu's PWO, but this day was bumping it up to 12iu's.. within an hour's time he felt the onslought of hypo coming on him.. he handled it.. but the simple fact is.. 2iu's over his normal did this to him..

be careful

That was me! Generally, I agree with Fantom and Easto, the only reason why I'm using Humalog is because I'm using HGH and I'm on a long layoff from aas. I only use 10iu's 2-3x/week pwo. It's been about 7 years since I've used insulin, if I wasn't on HGH I wouldn't bother. Insulin is definately not for newbies or even moderately experienced Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users.

 

[pineapple]

Used it for about 5-6months, 15-30iu /day. Its a high dose, and maybe my body wasnt as sensitive to insulin as it is now, now I'll only take no more than 10iu at one time.

No muscle gain and no fat gain, maybe a little fat gain. I didnt like it, it made me somewhat bloated, but that could be from other stuff I was on.

IMO worthless, at least for me. If INSULIN does build muscle, it doesnt do so alone but in combination with other hormones, and not for everyone either.

 

[HeHateMe]

Used it for about 5-6months, 15-30iu /day.

You continued using insulin for 5-6 months after you experienced 'no muscle gain and no fat gain, maybe a little fat gain'.

What took you so long to figure out it was not providing any benefits?

Do you like to inject shyt just for the hell of it?

 

[joseppe]

Yes I agree with all of these guys! My buddy in Santa Cruz cali started tweaking his endocrine system way too heavy, got into insulin, went from perfectly normal to full blown diabetes!

 

[pineapple]

You continued using insulin for 5-6 months after you experienced 'no muscle gain and no fat gain, maybe a little fat gain'.

What took you so long to figure out it was not providing any benefits?

Do you like to inject shyt just for the hell of it?

I think you're confused. You should go back and reread what I wrote and see exactely where you pulled that out of.

I cant seem to find anywhere where I said that I used it for 5-6months after I experienced no gain from it. What I said was, I USED IT FOR 5-6 months and got nothing from it. Again, you're confused.

 

[HeHateMe]

I think you're confused. You should go back and reread what I wrote and see exactely where you pulled that out of.

I cant seem to find anywhere where I said that I used it for 5-6months after I experienced no gain from it. What I said was, I USED IT FOR 5-6 months and got nothing from it. Again, you're confused.

LoL ok then...

When discussing insulin in your post you stated the following:

'IMO worthless, atleast for me.'

'now I'll only take no more than 10iu at one time.'

indicating that you currently still use insulin after discovering that it's worthless in your estimation. And I'm the one who is confused?

 

[pineapple]

LoL ok then...

When discussing insulin in your post you stated the following:

'IMO worthless, atleast for me.'

'now I'll only take no more than 10iu at one time.'

indicating that you currently still use insulin after discovering that it's worthless in your estimation. And I'm the one who is confused?

Its a high dose, and maybe my body wasnt as sensitive to insulin as it is now, now I'll only take no more than 10iu at one time.

Ha, my bad, I see I didnt clarify that enough. At one time or another I took it for whatever reason (not cycling it) post workout and that was the result. I don't use it at all anymore; and I dont think I will use IGF or HGH again either. The cost does not justify it at all.