Can you REALLY over train easily on cycle?

[bigben66]

This is an excellent YouTube vlog from Layne Norton on the subject of overtraining....

Worth 15 mins of anyone's time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1GStV46Ck

 

[soldier74]

This is an excellent YouTube vlog from Layne Norton on the subject of overtraining....

Worth 15 mins of anyone's time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1GStV46Ck

Layne is natty, yes? Definantly a beast, either way.

 

[soldier74]

.....if what he is saying in that vid applies to the natty lifter( which I believe it does), then how much more so the AAS using lifter??!! Wow! Goos stuff to know there, and yes, definantly goes against everything I thought I knew about this topic. Lol.

 

[Black Beard]

Complicated question. You need to consider what compound you are taking and your genetics. Intense training doesn't just fatigue the muscle, but also the central nervous system. AAS CAN increase CNS output and recovery, but to what extent depends on the kind of training and what steroids you are taking. Rest is an essential part of training. Even if you can "train" non-stop, will you be able to really bring 100% for each workout without getting adequate rest? You will not. You see a lot of guy training 4 hours a day, 5-7 days a week, but look at their training. Light weights, bad form, tons of set+reps. They are just pumping the muscle, which DOES work very well on AAS.



Layne Norton is not natural, no way in hell. Regardless, he's strong and looks great. He has some controversial topics like making BCAA's out to be the holy grail of bodybuilding and saying permanent ********* down regulation is a real thing(which it isn't).

 

[Black Beard]

Two legendary bodybuilders who were into high intensity training with lower volume are Dorian Yates and Mike Mentzer. I like to mix it up, personally. To keep it fresh and also to change the stimulus. High intensity and high volume both have their advantages and uses.


Squidd does have a point, i agree with his statement. When you are training extremely hard, it's not sustainable to be in the gym for hours and days on end. The exception is when you do high volume, pump style training which works well for enhanced bodybuilders and allows you to be in the gym more often for longer hours.

 

[Southernfish]

This is an excellent YouTube vlog from Layne Norton on the subject of overtraining....

Worth 15 mins of anyone's time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1GStV46Ck

Good video. And I do agree. In my previous posts in this thread as well as other threads over the years I have always stated that there is absolutely a possibility of overtraining and how it isnt good. When he mentions chronic overtraining, that is mostly what Im getting at......Guys not giving themselves a deload phase, or a recovery phase. And I see it and hear about it all the time, Im.sure you do as well. Way too much volume for too long. And when the individual isnt seeing growth, instead of giving the muscle the short period of time to ACTUALLY recover a lot of people will keep adding more volume. Which does not work.

I do think that the more frequent we can train a muscle and have it recover the better. Which mean less volume per training session. I sometimes train a muscle group 2-3 times per week. But, with low volume. What guys need to get out of the habbit of doing is having these epic 2-3 hour marathons in the gym and thinking they can do that 2-3 times a week for extended periods of time amd grow, because you cant do that IMHO.

His garbage man analogy isnt bad but that could give the impression that training with high volume for extended periods of time could be beneficial. I think before any gains are seen by doing that, if any are even seen there is going to be a few steps taken in a backwards direction due to TOO much damage being done. And he does state that which is good.

Overall, if you understand what he is talking about it is a great video IMO Ben.