cjc-125/ghrp's ect, is it all bull chit? what are my options.

[manakawari]

i am looking to try some GH treatment. mainly for anti aging and some fat loss, somthing like 4iu a day of HGH.i have researched and pharma quality is too expensive and chinese, while reasonable, im told is only half as potent as domestic HGH so the costs arnt has cheap as you would think and factoring in how its common to get completely ripped off buying from china, that adds more to the cost so its far from affordable and most likley not effective.

so that had me thinking about peptides. i researched cjc-1295 and i got excited, based on the studies, it seems that cjc combined with GHRP-2 or something similar could raise HGH levels to around 4iu in theory.so i started looking for people who may have tested this cjc sold by peptide sellers and i found zero gc/ms tests online and even if they were, that doesnt mean that what they are actually selling works, so i began looking for something even more telling, users who got HGH and igf tests done while being on these two peotides.....what i found was 100 percent of the blood work i could find shows that what is being sold does zero to raise HGH.... all tests show baseline results in both HGH and igf-1 and sometimes even lower than baseline. some said it had to do with the times the tests were taken but i think that bullchit, igf is constant and most claimed they did their shots a half hour before being tested and had been on this combo for weeks.

so this begs the question, for someone like myself who is prepared to spend no more than 300 bucks a month on GH therapy, is there even an option for anything legit?

i know this board has a lot of sponsors so im sorry if i offended anyone but if you guys did a better job producing third party testing (we all know its all coming from china regardless what the sellers claim)these questions wouldnt constantly pop up.. i would certainly be willing to trial cjc w/o dac and GHRP-2 and get back to you guys with a blood test but i would like more opnions because based on what i have seen, its all garbage being sold i would just be throwing my money away.besides, i would think that if these sellers believed in their products that would recommend hgh and igf-1 blood tests as they cost 40 bucks, thats far less than one would waste on usless peptides and fake hgh.

so i ask again, considering i was willing to drop 300 bucks a month in an attempt to equal 4iu gh daily, is there an option where i wont get robbed? not just with peptides but is there an option to get legit HGH? all avenues i have been exploring seem like bullchit...and for certain sellers i have actually heard consistent good reviews about, their peptides are twice the price as everyone else so it actually comes out to as much or more MORE than generic chinese GH and while chinese is weak, at least it works somewhat, like i said, ALL blood work i have seen on this so called cjc ect all came back baseline.

 

[Teutonic]

I think the ghrp s work but I m not willing to pin 3 times a day...eat better and move more..

GH real GH work s wonder s but my mortgage and life come first...savvy.???

Chinese anything is hit and miss...there s guy s on here that swear by em but I mainly swear about them..fkn slant s taking over the planet.

 

[manakawari]

thanks for the reply but i would wanna use something for anti aging, im not looking for these peptides to equal 10iu..if i could get 4iu from a peptide combo i would honestly be a customer for life but ALL the blood work i have seen to date shows ZERO increase from baseline. now perhaps these people bought bunk but again, if a seller was willing to let me trial and report blood work or even promise to refund my money if my test didnt show i was over baseline by a reasonable amount i would consider it. if i was a seller and i believed in my products i would be encouraging users to get blood work. i read the cjc-1295 studies, if what they sell is real, there should be a sure raise in baseline in both hgh and igf-1 .. it kind of amazes me that more people dont drop the 40 bucks on a simple blood test, especially those like myself who are considering using cjc and ghrp for life as anti aging. these sellers would have customers for life if they sold real chit.until i see legit blood work results or im able to trial and test myself im just gonna look for a legit chinese source for hgh.

 

[manakawari]

this is from the cjc-1295 study when used alone.

Results: After a single injection of CJC-1295, there were dose-dependent increases in mean plasma GH concentrations by 2-10 fold for 6 days and in mean plasma IGF-1 concentrations by 1.5- to 3-fold for 9 - 11 days. The estimated half-life of CJC-1295 was 5.8 - 8.1 days. After multiple CJC-1295 doses, mean IGF-1 levels remained above baseline for up to 28 days. No serious adverse reactions were reported.

Conclusions: sc administration of CJC-1295 resulted in sustained, dose-dependent increases in GH and IGF-1 levels in healthy adults and was safe and relatively well-tolerated, particularly at doses of 30 µg/kg or 60 µg/kg. There was evidence of a cumulative effect after multiple doses. These data support the potential utility of CJC-1295 as a therapeutic agent.

so again, if this is the average results from cjc-1295 alone(quite impressive btw) not to mention most are using it with ghrp as well, why is all the blood work i have seen users post always come back baseline?

if what is being sold is real, there should be a clear and high raise in GH and IGF-1 levels after use.. i would be a customer for life if someone could prove to me they sell something that can do even half of what cjc-1295 has proven to do. these sellers either are totally scamming or their cjc is so under dosed that it unable to raise gh levels. what a joke because i really wanna buy this stuff.

 

[manakawari]

60 views on a steroid forum and no one has info about the cjc being sold other than "i think it works"??...no one has an opinion as why to date , EVERYONE who has been smart enough to get blood work all show zero change from baseline in hgh and igf levels while the cjc studies show a 2-10 fold increase?? is this all fake or just so underdosed its worthless?

i really wanna use this stuff..why are so few people having blood work done? if more did and proved this stuff is fake this sham could finally end, or these suppliers would be forced to sell real cjc in proper doses. if it proved to actually work they would sell a ton as the cjc studies show its as good if not better than high doses of hgh. no sponsors have an opinion?

i want hgh .. basically pharma grade is too expensive , is there any option for hgh(peptide or not) where i can get hgh for 300 a month or less? i would be a customer for life.