Classic Test E and D-Bol

[dvchris25]

What's up guys. I am looking for advice and critiques for my 4th upcoming cycle.

Stats:
21 years old, 5'8, 182 lbs., roughly 9% bf.

I have ran 3 cycles in the past- Sus 500 (500mg/wk for 12 weeks), then 2 Test E cycles @ 500mg/wk for 10 weeks. I think it's about time I throw something else in the mix (hence the D-bol).

Weeks:
1-4 dbol @ 30mg
1-12 Test E @ 500mg/wk (pin mon/thurs)
Will run liver support starting 2 weeks prior to cycle, as well as duration of cycle

PCT:
14-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20
Might also throw in some HCGenerate (don't have access to real Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), have used this alternative in the past and worked like a charm)

One question is should I throw in some adex or aromasin throughout cycle? If so, at what doses and frequency?

 

[ErectusMaximus]

Sup bud. GET READY for the flame. Not from me but from everybuddy else. Your young and your gonna hear about it, but anyways.....

Although I don't agree with your decision, I find it more important to keep you healthy so I want to answer your post best I can.

Your question about an AI... Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED or Arimidex @ .5mg EoD throughout cycle and post cycle therapy (pct). Note that this is the starting dose and it may have to be upped SLIGHLY during the dbol phase and dropped SLIGHTLY during the end of pct.

It sounds like your new to AI's so heres the idea: Keep Estro low so sides are milder. If estro goes too low your gonna have a boner problem; E is critical to libido. MOST OF ALL, the reason you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in this cycle is because of the water bloat associated with DBOL. That is what you should remember from this post. Water weight= high blood pressure, and we don't need heart complications @ 21 y/o do we.

Good call on the liv support, I would try to find some real Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), add 50mg of clomid ED during post cycle therapy (pct), and lastly get blood work done before and after cycle. GL and be safe, your young and this scares me.

 

[noway55]

Why would you run 3 cycles at the same dose as your first cycle?

 

[DADAWG]

i realize your 5-8 but youve ran 3 cycles and you weigh 182 pounds . take some time to straighten out your diet / training / rest before throwing more steroids at it .

 

[dvchris25]

Yeah I figured I would get flamed. But I appreciate your advice. That's the reason why I check with others before I hop right into the cycle. My biggest concern is probably the Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Having never used them before, I am unsure of how to dose, etc. Is there a recommendation for first time users as to where to start? Or do you essentially have to "guess and check?"

 

[DADAWG]

Yeah I figured I would get flamed. But I appreciate your advice. That's the reason why I check with others before I hop right into the cycle. My biggest concern is probably the Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Having never used them before, I am unsure of how to dose, etc. Is there a recommendation for first time users as to where to start? Or do you essentially have to "guess and check?"

just not gonna listen are you .

 

[dvchris25]

I'm listening. I'm just looking for constructive feedback. I figured i'm better off coming to you guys then to try and figure out everything on my own. I'm sure everyone agrees with that. But I do appreciate your concern. So maybe i'll put the cycle on hold and get everything in check before moving forward with it.

 

[noway55]

Yeah I figured I would get flamed. But I appreciate your advice. That's the reason why I check with others before I hop right into the cycle. My biggest concern is probably the Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Having never used them before, I am unsure of how to dose, etc. Is there a recommendation for first time users as to where to start? Or do you essentially have to "guess and check?"

google + search forum

 

[dvchris25]

google + search forum

Trust me, I use that frequently. But you can't trust everything you read on the internet. I know most guys here on ology are willing to offer credible advice. Therefore, I do the base of my research through forums, then bring any uncertainty to the attention of members here.

 

[claricae86]

Credible advice would be to wait and not cycle.

This is the only solid advice you should listen too. How young were you when you started and what did you weigh then?

I am going to say this a few times so maybe you will get the picutre, you are young, you are really fucking young. Wait until your 25 years or so and let your natural test do what it's supposed to do.

Again, you are young, you are really fucking young. Wait until your 25 years or so and let your natural test do what it's supposed to do.

 

[SquadLeader]

I understand being 21 and using juice. I don't think you are too young, half the guys you are seeing on stage started at around your age or earlier and everyone here knows it. Listen to what your being told here, steroids don't make athletes. A strong diet and training routine does. If your serious about your goals you will make sure you have these things in order. Take the things I am telling you into consideration. I would like to give you some advice and that is to add Clomid to your post cycle therapy (pct) to make sure you recover fully.

 

[dvchris25]

I understand being 21 and using juice. I don't think you are too young, half the guys you are seeing on stage started at around your age or earlier and everyone here knows it. Listen to what your being told here, steroids don't make athletes. A strong diet and training routine does. If your serious about your goals you will make sure you have these things in order. Take the things I am telling you into consideration. I would like to give you some advice and that is to add Clomid to your post cycle therapy (pct) to make sure you recover fully.

Thanks for your input Squad. I know there of plenty of kids my age using; I get it. I'm sure a lot of them lie about their age on here too. I'm being as honest as possible with everyone here. It is a tough decision for me but this has become part of my life, and I enjoy doing it. Again, i'm just trying to do it right. I understand where everyone is coming from -nobody is gonna see eye to eye on this- i'm just trying to weigh the pros and cons now and get as much input as possible

 

[crazyfmike]

Come on you old fucks don't know shit.

Remember being 21 and knowing everything/ listen to nothing.

He's grown man, let him go.

 

[Ageek]

Trust me, I use that frequently. But you can't trust everything you read on the internet. I know most guys here on ology are willing to offer credible advice. Therefore, I do the base of my research through forums, then bring any uncertainty to the attention of members here.

This is the internet..........

 

[DADAWG]

lets let it rest fellas , he and i have talked by pm so lets see what he does from there . no need to beat a dead horse.

 

[ryand]

I remember when I was 21 and I weighed 175.

I remember when I was 22 and I weighed 185

Now I'm 24 and I weigh 210 with 8%bf (my avatar has more bf).

I still haven't used AAS I'm waiting another year or 2

This thread just blew my fucking mind, I put on all my weight after 21. Everyone is different but you are juicing when you should be taking vitamins lol...I can't believe you are on your 4th cycle at 21 incredibly fucking stupid unless you are trying to compete in something.

^^but listen to these guys, you're on your 4th cycle and judging by the layout of your cycle (using nolva but no clomid? mentioning Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but not using it in the past?) ....on your way to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) buddy. Good luck.