Clomid causing LH desensitization??????!!? Helpp!

[Beck-Miester]

I dunno Bruce....I remember, years ago.....when there were a lot fewer UGLs out there, and I had first even looked into performance enhancement....a lot of guys would run what I NOW know to be Clomid...if for no other reason than they could actually GET Clomid.

Hell...back then, when my wife & I were first trying to have kids, I coulda had an unlimited supply of pharmacy grade Clomid. If I knew then what I know now....

 

[Docd187]

Good thread. I so was considering this too. All the vets on this board tell young guys, go natty while you are young and have high test of your own. So if you can take a low dosage of clomid and double your test to higher than it was in my twenties then potentially you have even a few more years of gains before you plateau and have to go on gear.....? Sounds like we are missing something or on the bleeding edge.....

IMO it's more than just about high natty levels when we recommend young guys stay off AAS. It's a complete mental and physical recommendation. It's true your test levels are they're highest in teens and early 20s so barring a medial condition, take full advantage of your body's natural production. But it's also about mental maturity and competency. We tell them all the time that they'll get shut down, may screw them up for life (TRT), and every other reason we use but we go through the same risks regardless of our age and justify our usage with the same reasoning as the youngsters many times. The difference is at 18yo the maturity and dedication that's needed to minimize risk inherent in AAS use is very rare. The time spent training and dieting PROPERLY is not there so they have no/little foundation to build upon, they want results yesterday and lack the patience to do what's in their best interests, many are in college and want to party and drink than use AAS as a quick fix or lazy mans approach. Many more reasons than this but again, IMO, its not about the age of the user. It's about their mental acumen, reasoning skills, dedication, devotion, maturity, and experiences.

 

[Jack Tors]

I know so.. All it takes to figure it out is some reading: here's one http://www.maledoc.com/blog/2010/04/28/how-clomid-works-in-men/

Im sorry that wasn't meant for you. I agree with you and liked your comment yesterday.

 

[Trust_]

Jack, your avi is fukin hot!

 

[Therealkozmo]

It is estrogen that causes the pituitary to stop producing LH, which in turn shuts down testosterone production in you nads. Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors in the pituitary so that it just keeps pumping out LH in its effort to reach homeostasis. The testosterone will STILL aromatize into Estrogen....it just won't effect your natural test production. I would suggest that an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) would still be a good course of action to maximize free test in your bloodstream.

Thus we have a prime example of the differences between a blocker and an inhibitor...

I know this is old but I agree with this guy because of my experience. After I got a second opinion from a urologist, I was taking clomid as a pct prescribed by him. (They wont call it a PCT)
He told me previous doctor had my levels real high and I could get blood clots in my legs. Clomid is the go to test booster for doctors now a days when the patient says he still wants kids. And they will leave you on it as long as it works for you. Clomid raised my test just fine but arimidex should help to stop extra test from aromatizing. After recovery my test was 1400 with clomid but my estrogen was 50 which I think is to high for me. I think 20 is a good spot. Now there is also controversy about whether or not clomid may interact with arimidex in a way that makes it not effective. Until there are valid studies showing that result (desensization and arimidex not working because of clomid) I wont beleive it. That being said I do believe the information about clomid being hepatoxic meaning it damages your liver. So you want to take it the least amount possible.