Clomid dont work after trt...

[KM2016]

hi guys, after years of trt I tried a recovery with 50mg / day of clomid, starting from the first day after the last injection (propionate).
I thought I was recovering but after 4 weeks I am with testosterone near 0 (in addition to e2 lh and fsh at 0).
I feel very strange and weak, no libido and energy, insomnia.
I believe that continuing the road to recovery is completely useless at this point.
I had the low T (300-400) even before the trt but with 25mg / day of clomid it also reached 800. How is it possible that now it remains at 0?

 

[Mycelium]

I am guessing but it will have something to do with the brain if everything is bottomed out. If LH and FSH are 0 then pituitary ismt making them. Its possibly atrophied from not using it or possibly the hypothalamus isnt sending GhRH? Gonadotropin hormone releasing hormone . . It's a link in the chain.

How long have you been on since being off?

Test of 800 with Clomid? Just clomid?

 

[casanovaaa]

what where you pinning during your years of TRT? stats? was it self medicated TRT or did you have a doc? why did you start TRT?

 

[themotherload]

good questions from the bros ^^^^

 

[KM2016]

I am guessing but it will have something to do with the brain if everything is bottomed out. If LH and FSH are 0 then pituitary ismt making them. Its possibly atrophied from not using it or possibly the hypothalamus isnt sending GhRH? Gonadotropin hormone releasing hormone . . It's a link in the chain.

How long have you been on since being off?

Test of 800 with Clomid? Just clomid?

I have been doing trt for 5 years, sometimes adding hcg too, in the past I also had 800 of natural T with only 25mg of clomid, but I did not come from trt but only from low natural T to 300-400.

if my pituitary is now atrophied or the brain does not send the signal I have to consider the hypothesis of trt a lifetime (or hcg but I don't believe much in safety in humans in the long term being a female hormone)

 

[KM2016]

what where you pinning during your years of TRT? stats? was it self medicated TRT or did you have a doc? why did you start TRT?

I did trt with a doctor at the beginning but then I continued alone, keeping all aspects under control (HCT, e2 etc)
I have been using T for 20 years, at the beginning as aas and then as trt, when I stopped T for aas in a year I recovered natural T at around 400 (after about 10 years of discontinued use).
I started trt (trying first with clomid but I didn't feel as good as the exogenous T, despite the level of 800) because my natural level was about 300-400 and I didn't feel as good as I wanted seeing that in the past I was used to having high levels of T.
Furthermore, I have always had symptoms of lack of T, since I was a boy, little libido and energy that instead of T has all been solved by becoming a better man.

 

[IMT staff]

Just Clomid isn't going to work because you need to re-sensitize the testes with high dose HCG or they will not be awake to receive the LH signal.

Here is a great read that we wrote on proper restarts:

https://increasemyt.com/hpta-restart/