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dude. a whopping 130 bucks?

do other men buy drinks for you to try and get your number?

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why would u drink on cycle anyway.. if you are gonna do a cycle surely you want optimal results and drinnkings only setting you back
 
This is exactly my problem with drinking on cycle (no hate Redbul).

People are focused on gyno like that's the worst thing that could happen to you. It's not. The problem is mostly with liver values while running orals/tren (and protein synthesis, but that's not going to hurt you - just your gains).

Now, is everyone who touches a drink while running orals going to die? No. CAN it happen? Yes. Your liver can go into failure. It's super rare....just depends on the person though and how hard their liver is willing to work. If it works for you AND you get blood work to prove your body is fine then that's great. I just think it's fucked up to tell others it's ok when you don't know if it is or isn't for them.

For example - we've all heard the "golden" rule of not running 2 orals at the same time right? I've run 3 at the same time WHILE running tren. I was totally fine. Should I encourage other people to do it and tell them it's ok? Fuck no! It's retarded. I got my levels checked every week to make sure they didn't get elevated to a dangerous point. That doesn't mean everyone can go out and copy me and be totally fine.

i find this some what ironic in that, this a steroid forum and by ur logic we shouldnt run anything incase we are in the .000000001% that might die from one reason or another (cardiac arrhythmias, congestive heart failure, heart attacks, and sudden cardiac death).
we/ and others run the risk of liver damage the moment we pop that dbol in our mouths and if i remember correctly ur "6'7 and 350lbs" running 3 orals and tren... dude thats really putting ur life at risk, 10x more than drinking once whilst running dbol.. unless ur getting ultra sounds of ur heart etc u cant really say ur fine coz blood work wont tell u everything.
And ofcourse it effects ppl differently i wasnt saying every1 go out and drink on orals, thats silly but its not the end of the world if they did.. my opinion and no hate or disrespect coz ur like ur more than 1.5x my size
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i find this some what ironic in that, this a steroid forum and by ur logic we shouldnt run anything incase we are in the .000000001% that might die from one reason or another (cardiac arrhythmias, congestive heart failure, heart attacks, and sudden cardiac death).
we/ and others run the risk of liver damage the moment we pop that dbol in our mouths and if i remember correctly ur "6'7 and 350lbs" running 3 orals and tren... dude thats really putting ur life at risk, 10x more than drinking once whilst running dbol.. unless ur getting ultra sounds of ur heart etc u cant really say ur fine coz blood work wont tell u everything.
And ofcourse it effects ppl differently i wasnt saying every1 go out and drink on orals, thats silly but its not the end of the world if they did.. my opinion and no hate or disrespect coz ur like ur more than 1.5x my size
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Nah no disrespect taken bro - it's a discussion.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say though.

It's like this - lets say you just finished a cycle of test+deca. You're on week 2 of post cycle therapy (pct) and you feel great. Does that mean you're fully recovered? No. Why? Because feeling great has nothing to do with whats going in your body for the most part.

That's my same problem with dudes who drink on cycle - I don't care if they drink. Just take the proper measures to ensure you're not screwing yourself over. If 1 beer jacks your liver values sky high (which is possible, just very unlikely....again just an example) while on cycle, but you still feel fine after 4 beers, are you ok? No. You're damaging your body and you don't even know it. The scary part is that you usually won't feel any pain/discomfort until you've already done irreparable damage.

Get yourself checked out and tested so that you actually KNOW how your body is handling stuff before you just blindly put your body through it.

In the case of my 3 oral cycle - I have a group of team doctors that hang out at the facility every day. I get myself completely checked out constantly. While I was on that cycle, I was getting my liver checked every few days. I knew the risks, but I also knew how my body was handling the stress I was putting it through. That's what made my cycle successful. I knew exactly when it was time to stop.
 
so many idiots on these steroid forums who think alcohol is this horrible poisonous substance just because they have never had any before. Everything op said is true. It won't kill you once in a while. Live a little people, none of you will be on the olympia stage at any point in your lives.


why would u drink on cycle anyway.. if you are gonna do a cycle surely you want optimal results and drinnkings only setting you back

it's not that people look for excuses to go out and get drunk on cycle. But let's suppose there is a huge hiliday coming up and you are about to see all sorts of friends you haven't seen in a while. They will all be out drinking at the bars. Do you really want to stay sober with all those drunk people and have a miserable time wishing you could drink? Of course not. One time won't kill you. You need to find balance between your social life and your fitness lifestyle. All of us are in different places socially. Some people are married with kids, and these are the individuals who usually knock partying the most. But for the single guys who like to have fun, staying home and thinking about what a great time you could be having is torture
 
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This is exactly my problem with drinking on cycle (no hate Redbul).

People are focused on gyno like that's the worst thing that could happen to you. It's not. The problem is mostly with liver values while running orals/tren (and protein synthesis, but that's not going to hurt you - just your gains).

Now, is everyone who touches a drink while running orals going to die? No. CAN it happen? Yes. Your liver can go into failure. It's super rare....just depends on the person though and how hard their liver is willing to work. If it works for you AND you get blood work to prove your body is fine then that's great. I just think it's fucked up to tell others it's ok when you don't know if it is or isn't for them.

For example - we've all heard the "golden" rule of not running 2 orals at the same time right? I've run 3 at the same time WHILE running tren. I was totally fine. Should I encourage other people to do it and tell them it's ok? Fuck no! It's retarded. I got my levels checked every week to make sure they didn't get elevated to a dangerous point. That doesn't mean everyone can go out and copy me and be totally fine.

your extremist attitude is out of control. You really believe your liver values will show long term damage if you have one big night of drinking on an oral? Liver toxicity is way overblown when it comes to orals. Of course you shouldn't make it a habit, but you are obviously a huge anti-alcohol advocate. 95% of the world drinks. If liver values worsen after one night of drinking, they will not take long to go back to normal. Binging every night on a 4 week run of 40mg of dbol is obviously a terrible idea, but even then the person isn't guaranteed to have a shorter life
 
your extremist attitude is out of control. You really believe your liver values will show long term damage if you have one big night of drinking on an oral? Liver toxicity is way overblown when it comes to orals. Of course you shouldn't make it a habit, but you are obviously a huge anti-alcohol advocate. 95% of the world drinks. If liver values worsen after one night of drinking, they will not take long to go back to normal. Binging every night on a 4 week run of 40mg of dbol is obviously a terrible idea, but even then the person isn't guaranteed to have a shorter life

Bro, you're buying into your own bullshit. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and whats worse, you're encouraging other people to listen to your shit as if you had a clue.

I don't care if there was only 1 person in the world that didn't drink - doesn't change the fact that you don't know what it's doing to your body on steroids (when your liver values are already elevated) until you get the workup done.

I wanna see your proof (not just your word) that the liver toxicity of ALL oral steroids is overblown. I also would love to see your liver workup showing no increase from baseline while you're running your orals.

Also, show me the studies that say EVERYONE'S liver values return back to normal the following day after drinking. I'd personally love to see this.

Honestly, this kinda shit pisses me off. If you wanna drink, go ahead. But don't bring your bullshit onto the forum and post garbage like that to justify your scrawny ass.

Oh and as a final side note, yes your liver can show long term damage after one night of drinking if it's already compromised from orals. In fact, I know a few dudes (myself included) who have long term liver damage from orals only WITHOUT adding alcohol to the mix.

Not everyone's liver is as resilient as mine or yours might be. Again, I'm not saying that nobody should drink. I never said that.
 
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lol nah. it's not a pissing contest.....I'm starting to think I'm just not being very clear or something....seems like everyone thinks I'm saying don't drink.....dunno.

Ya I have been on here long enough to know when something is about to go down and I was bored so figured I would ref it lol
 
Ya I have been on here long enough to know when something is about to go down and I was bored so figured I would ref it lol

lol yeah I think I'm done with this thread....like I said, I don't think I'm being very clear lately so it's probably better to just leave it alone.

Now go answer my question in that other thread!
 
drink on cycle.
well i dont give a shit what the rest of you guys do. its in MY best intrest not to drink while running a cycle.
i advise not to drink while running but to each there own.
its not alway about the sides that booze and roids can have. its about the stupid retard shit people do while drinking isn't that right tony?
you hurt yourself and cant lift for a week or more. or you get locked up for a few days and dont eat and train the way you should.
everyones a tough guy untill then get the dick caught in the zipper, then they cry like a little bitch.
so for me i stand for not drinking while on cycle. not when i can dump that 100 bucks on food.
but do as you want just dont cry about it later.
 
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