Considering cycling - scrawny guy

[freespinfall]

Hi everyone,

I'm a newbie to the forum, and I've read the rules and so apologies if I'm fucking up by breaking any of them with this post.

I'm a 32 year old male, 6'2 and I weigh 168 lbs - I'm a skinny skinny guy (13% BF). I'm an ectomorph, and quite physically active - especially on the endurance side. I run a lot (10 kms and half marathons), which I know is a big reason I won't ever see big gains in bulk, and I'm fine with that. I have a high basal m rate to begin with, and I eat a lot - 3000 calories when I'm not training as hard, up to 3600 when I'm actively running (I can get HUNGRY), and I've worked with a dietician to plan my diet (although I'm tweaking it still). In terms of strength training, I've been at it for about five years and obviously with the amount of cardio I do I'm not going to see gains.

I'm definitely switching up my training to cut back on cardio and up the lifting. I won't give up running completely - it keeps me sane - but I'm cutting back in a major way and increasing my strength training.

I'm currently natty and I use creatine. I've been looking at doing a cycle of test to see how my body responds. I know at 32 I don't have the same "bounce back" as I used to have when I was younger, and I'm looking for the positive benefits of test and for some bulking.

Thoughts?

 

[Milton]

Welcome! as far as working out, how long have you seriously been at it? Do you think that you have reached your full potential naturally? If so make sure to read all the stickies here Anabolic Steroid Forum whats your diet seriously like? Make sure to get lots of real protein, calories, etc. shakes are fine but there's nothing better than a good steak, turkey, fish etc. to get good gains. Be sure to be honest here and lots of people will post after me and give you good advice. and please post a pic to let us know what we have to work with.

 

[Enthusiast]

With those stats I highly doubt your body is ready for gear.

How do you know you are 13% bf?
Outline your diet for us so we can better assess if you are actually eating that much.

If you want to continue cardio I would stay away from gear as most will tank your ability
To sustain that kind of activity.

At 168 lbs and 6'2 your body really isn't ready for gear imo.

 

[MBB]

Do not listen to this guy.

do it son, ul gain alot of muscle with minimal fat. start off with 500mg teste and ul achieve a body of your dreams hopefully. good luck sir

Hit up 3J, 6'2 at 168lbs you need more food, less running and better training, not gear. At your height you have a lot of natty potential before touching gear. If you can't get past 168lbs natty you sure as shit won't have much luck on aas, it's all in the diet dude.

 

[Buzzbait]

You don't need a dietitian as much as you just need to eat. Fuck all that cardio. EAT. If is crawls, flies, or swims EAT it. Then throw some shit that grows with it. Basically brother........ JUST EAT

 

[mich29]

You don't need a dietitian as much as you just need to eat. Fuck all that cardio. EAT. If is crawls, flies, or swims EAT it. Then throw some shit that grows with it. Basically brother........ JUST EAT

sums it up nicely here

 

[RR88]

Don't cycle until you have dialled in a training and diet in a way which produces hyper trophy. Do that for a while until you plateau for some time. Then you could consider gear. Your without a doubt not at a stage id recommend cycling.

 

[freespinfall]

Welcome! as far as working out, how long have you seriously been at it? Do you think that you have reached your full potential naturally? If so make sure to read all the stickies here Anabolic Steroid Forum whats your diet seriously like? Make sure to get lots of real protein, calories, etc. shakes are fine but there's nothing better than a good steak, turkey, fish etc. to get good gains. Be sure to be honest here and lots of people will post after me and give you good advice. and please post a pic to let us know what we have to work with.

Nope, I know I still have room to grow naturally - some. About four years ago, I severely injured my hamstring and had to take almost a year off of running. I was at the gym 4-5 times a week, virtually no cardio, worked with a physiotherapist and a personal trainer, and while I was very defined, I never weighed much more than 175 at the heaviest.

Now, all that being said, is it necessarily a problem to use gear as an adjunct as I'm switching my training from running to lifting? What is the advantage of spending the next year or two lifting natty and then adding AAS? I'm def willing to switch up my diet too. But I know I'll hit my body's natural limit pretty quick and then I'll just stay lean and tall and never really gain.

As a runner in the past, I've cross-trained at the gym for, god, I don't know, 15 years? I'm not going to give up the running completely because it has saved my life in more ways than one, but I'm willing to cut it way down. When you're running 25-35 km a week it's not easy to gain, I know that. I've done more serious training as I said in the last five.

How do you know you are 13% bf?

Body fat calipers. I know it might be underestimating bf percentage.

As far as the dietician goes, I needed one because I have quite significant reactive postprandial hypoglycemia.

My diet is something like this on days I've been training:
Breakfast: 2 slices high protein bread, 1 tbsp peanut butter, 1 banana, 1 cup granola, 1/2 cup skim milk, 1 cup orange juice
Snack: 1/2 cup trail mix: almonds, raisins, sunflower seeds, craisins, 100 g greek yogurt (a small individual container)
Lunch: Sandwich: 3 slices deli turkey, 2 slices high protein bread, 1 oz low fat cheddar cheese, (also lettuce, tomato, mustard), 1 apple, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1/2 cup almonds
Snack: 1 banana, 1 Clif bar
Supper: 6 oz salmon, 1 cup brown rice, 6-7 oz sauteed asparagus, 1 cup skim milk, 5 large olives (I'm an olive fanatic)
Snack: protein shake (1 scoop Vega)

 

[0nyx120]

If 3600 calories ain't cutting it then BUMP. IT. UP. If you're consuming 4-5 meals a day an you're not gaining, then add 6,7, or 8 freaking meals, man. It doesn't matter if you're ectomorph, or have a high BMR. If you're simply not gaining, then EAT MORE & if that doesn't work then eat some more.

You THINK you're eating a lot..you're just not eating enough.

 

[Onk]

Oh are you only doing 25-35km a week of running? I thought when you said you were a serious runner it was more.
edit: even looking at your OP, it says 10km and half marathons. so what...1-2 days of running a week.
That kind of distance won't effect you too much unless you're doing it first thing, on an empty stomach.

Realistically, that's about 2.5 hours a week of running.

 

[freespinfall]

Oh are you only doing 25-35km a week of running? I thought when you said you were a serious runner it was more.
edit: even looking at your OP, it says 10km and half marathons. so what...1-2 days of running a week.
That kind of distance won't effect you too much unless you're doing it first thing, on an empty stomach.

Realistically, that's about 2.5 hours a week of running.

Dude. That's me cutting back. When I was more competitive I could easily hit 60 or 70.

Edit: but fair enough. It's good to know that it won't kill whatever small gains I can make.

 

[Onk]

ah that's the tapered version. Yeah I wouldn't even worry about that level of cardio.

 

[Milton]

Nope, I know I still have room to grow naturally - some. About four years ago, I severely injured my hamstring and had to take almost a year off of running. I was at the gym 4-5 times a week, virtually no cardio, worked with a physiotherapist and a personal trainer, and while I was very defined, I never weighed much more than 175 at the heaviest.

Now, all that being said, is it necessarily a problem to use gear as an adjunct as I'm switching my training from running to lifting? What is the advantage of spending the next year or two lifting natty and then adding AAS? I'm def willing to switch up my diet too. But I know I'll hit my body's natural limit pretty quick and then I'll just stay lean and tall and never really gain.

As a runner in the past, I've cross-trained at the gym for, god, I don't know, 15 years? I'm not going to give up the running completely because it has saved my life in more ways than one, but I'm willing to cut it way down. When you're running 25-35 km a week it's not easy to gain, I know that. I've done more serious training as I said in the last five.

Body fat calipers. I know it might be underestimating bf percentage.

As far as the dietician goes, I needed one because I have quite significant reactive postprandial hypoglycemia.

My diet is something like this on days I've been training:
Breakfast: 2 slices high protein bread, 1 tbsp peanut butter, 1 banana, 1 cup granola, 1/2 cup skim milk, 1 cup orange juice
Snack: 1/2 cup trail mix: almonds, raisins, sunflower seeds, craisins, 100 g greek yogurt (a small individual container)
Lunch: Sandwich: 3 slices deli turkey, 2 slices high protein bread, 1 oz low fat cheddar cheese, (also lettuce, tomato, mustard), 1 apple, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1/2 cup almonds
Snack: 1 banana, 1 Clif bar
Supper: 6 oz salmon, 1 cup brown rice, 6-7 oz sauteed asparagus, 1 cup skim milk, 5 large olives (I'm an olive fanatic)
Snack: protein shake (1 scoop Vega)

Just make sure you reach your full natural potential then hit it with AAS. and eat like a beast.

 

[tbonexl]

U eat like a bird. What is high protein bread? Egg whites, beef, chicken and fish. A couple slices of deli meat is for kids. You gotta eat big to get big. That's the hardest part. Training isn't as difficult as stuffing your face with quality foods. It's tuff man!

 

[Milton]

U eat like a bird. What is high protein bread? Egg whites, beef, chicken and fish. A couple slices of deli meat is for kids. You gotta eat big to get big. That's the hardest part. Training isn't as difficult as stuffing your face with quality foods. It's tuff man!

For real holmes, he should triple everything is his diet at the very least. Eat like a beast if you want to be one.

 

[Onk]

U eat like a bird. What is high protein bread? Egg whites, beef, chicken and fish. A couple slices of deli meat is for kids. You gotta eat big to get big. That's the hardest part. Training isn't as difficult as stuffing your face with quality foods. It's tuff man!

I didn't actually notice that until you pointed it out. What is high protein bread? That is definitely a new one....
I think I looked at his meals and thought they're alright....though there's only 3. Dead on about doubling them as that's what.....150p, 180-200c, 30f?

 

[Milton]

I didn't actually notice that until you pointed it out. What is high protein bread? That is definitely a new one....
I think I looked at his meals and thought they're alright....though there's only 3. Dead on about doubling them as that's what.....150p, 180-200c, 30f?

I just read that there are 14 grams of protein in each slice of high protein bread. hmm

 

[Enthusiast]

Start out by doubling your food intake as a couple of the guys here have mentioned, then you should see some gains, if not then triple what you were initially eating.

 

[3J]

is your dietitian a specialist in sports nutrition??

 

[Billegitimate]

My diet is something like this on days I've been training:
Breakfast: 2 slices high protein bread, 1 tbsp peanut butter, 1 banana, 1 cup granola, 1/2 cup skim milk, 1 cup orange juice
Snack: 1/2 cup trail mix: almonds, raisins, sunflower seeds, craisins, 100 g greek yogurt (a small individual container)
Lunch: Sandwich: 3 slices deli turkey, 2 slices high protein bread, 1 oz low fat cheddar cheese, (also lettuce, tomato, mustard), 1 apple, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1/2 cup almonds
Snack: 1 banana, 1 Clif bar
Supper: 6 oz salmon, 1 cup brown rice, 6-7 oz sauteed asparagus, 1 cup skim milk, 5 large olives (I'm an olive fanatic)
Snack: protein shake (1 scoop Vega)

I am 208 at 15% and getting leaner. While I wouldn't eat the grains and sugar you are, I'd call your daily intake about right for a meal. If a meal is a pound of meat and pound of vegetable and a half pound of potato or sweet potato, and you do that twice a day then you'll have enough to build.

Eat as much meat as a pure carnivore plus more vegetables than a vegetarian and you're getting close.