Continuing a Cycle for football...advice??

Hey Bros,

I stopped a 10 week cycle of d-bol(40mg-ED/5wks.) and test enan. (500mg/10wks.) About 1.25 months ago, and just finished my PCT.

However, Im playing spring football (I know most think I should be at least 22-23, but Im 18) and need to know what would be a good drug to take for another 6 weeks to be in top shape for game day(SCOUTS). I have kept 19 pounds of muscle from my last cycle, and lost 2% body fat...so my extra bodyweight is slowing me down and I have no idea what would be a good choice. I would like this to be inexpensive, and not shut down HPTA too bad, while still giving noticable strength gains...ANY SUGGESTIONS???

Help is appreciated and please disregard my age.
 
juicecravin said:
first post, but been around a little while....thanks for the welcome but how bout some help


Then you probably already know my feelings on this subject, in case not, I'll post this article that pretty much sums it all up;

What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com the link is http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/age.htm

Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.


Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (“growth plates”) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (“voicebox”) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later


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ok, lets hypothetically say im asking this question as a 27 year old...what would be your answer in that case

BTW, im honestly not trying to show any disrespect or be a smart ass
 
Nice post stone that hits it all. 18 is too young guy, we know you dont want to hear this, but its really for your own good. You should try your best to peak out naturally before you hit the bottle. If you do, your gains will skyrocket!!!! Get yourself in the zone. PEAK!! Go through a three or four nice sticking points naturally and then youll be ready.

What I mean by sticking points is you train and gain, then you stop gaining, change your routine, change your diet, intensity, then all of a sudden you make some progress..... Have you ever done this??? If you dont know what I mean then you not ready for steriod therapy.
 
I have done that probably 5 or 6 times...and have already "hit the bottle" to not get stuck anymore. I have lifted 5 years intensely and was peaked out at 200 lbs. for months taking in 6000-8000 calories (granted that probably 1500 of those were junk just to get calories in me) and sleeping 10-12 hours, (and my growth plates were closed up so no risk there) the test made me break through the plateau and shatter previous lifts.
 
Just in case you haven't gotten StoneCold's point (and he was being polite)...NO one with a concience is going to give you the feedback you desire due to your age...it would be unethical.
period.
 
...it would be unethical.

come on people lets be real... unethical? When was doing steroids in the first place ever ethical? You guys sound like a bunch of hypocrites to me... the kids 18 years old. He can drive and hes allowed to smoke ciggarettes and kill himself why not the juice?

If he needed an opinion he would have simply lied about his age but he had the guts to say he was 18, why cant you guys help him out. And who doesnt know someone who didnt juice when they were young? Hell I knew ALOT of kids involved and not involved in sports who juiced in my high school.

He sais hes already done cycles b4, so hes already devirginized. Lets not keep treating him like hes a virgin.. lol.
 
swift ninja said:
come on people lets be real... unethical? When was doing steroids in the first place ever ethical? You guys sound like a bunch of hypocrites to me... the kids 18 years old. He can drive and hes allowed to smoke ciggarettes and kill himself why not the juice?

If he needed an opinion he would have simply lied about his age but he had the guts to say he was 18, why cant you guys help him out. And who doesnt know someone who didnt juice when they were young? Hell I knew ALOT of kids involved and not involved in sports who juiced in my high school.

He sais hes already done cycles b4, so hes already devirginized. Lets not keep treating him like hes a virgin.. lol.



LMFAO !!!!

Well....... if that's the way you feel, get the hell off your soapbox and give him some advice. You have added NOTHING to this thread............

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juicecravin said:


and need to know what would be a good drug to take for another 6 weeks to be in top shape for game day(SCOUTS).
Help is appreciated and please disregard my age.

how about this bro u take the next 6 weeks and train your ass off and sleep 8 hours a day and eat right and not worry about the next drug to get u in top shape. and no one can disregard your age just not gonna happen and this isnt a flame bro just telling u how i see it

bro drugs are not the answer sweating it out in the gym is
 
listen i bust my ass in the gym and then on the field...that part is unquestionable, and like i and swift ninja said - i have already done one cycle and was happy with my results, so lets say I am capable of naturally adding 20 pounds of muscle the next couple years BUT i have decided i want to accelerate that to one year...that is why i've decided to "chemically enhance" myself...and whether or not im wrong or right for doing it, shouldnt be a factor in answering my question. Also, in the article stone cold posted it states:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation.

I fall into the category of "truly outstanding athletic promise, socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy" and have 5 years experienced training....So even your article says there are exceptions to the age rule
 
dude if your 18 then your still in high school. play spring ball for three weeks then train hard on your football specific exercises get a trainer. believe me getting bigger isnt gonna make you play better, making the body you have now peak and be in perfect shape to do the movements bench pressing 350 wont help you do. not trying to be a jerk its just that ive been in your shoes and scouts dont want big, they want talent, you cant cheat for talent. o and if im way off base and your a lineman, 200 lb wont get you d3 so you should just start eating for the next 6 months
 
i play fine, my only problem is weight, not strength endurance agility or speed...i bench 425 squat 585 and run a 4.8 40...but then again theres always room for improvement
 
I wish I had the experience in the chemical enhancing area to give to you... I think someone should step up and give some good advice, that way juice craven doesn't do something that could be more dangerous than what is already at hand...just my 2 cents. For my advice I give to you Juicecraven is that just take it easy during your spring ball, juicing during hard training/practice, depending on the substance could put you at risk of tearing something...I've seen this first hand, know one guy shattered his ankle because some ligament snapped which caused the breaking, and a pectoral injury and a shoulder injury too... something to think about. I'd alteast wait tell the summer and eat an ass load in the mean time...I've been there too.
 
thanks for the input truck, thats exactly what im looking to avoid....i've seen similar as well, and a couple nastier ones with powerlifters
 
You are still growing dude... I grew 1.5 inches in the last year and a half and I'm 25. 6'5 320 lbs... Messing with your growth plates and fucking up your height is what you should be more concerned with instead of benching that extra 20 lbs... If your 6' tall now say you stop growing as a result of juicing... You have that much less of a chance of going anywhere other than d3.
If that is what your goals are is to go somewhere for football than do it the right way... You should be sensible and wait.... Either way good luck bro....
 
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