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[3ct]

As far as T goes I am opposed to the typical dosing, I was immediately turned off by the likelihood of it partially aromatizing even with the aid of great products and a watchful eye having it become a regular problem. I'd rather low dose the T and run renown dht-based andros & anabolics

it's all in your head. if it really was that big of a PROBLEM then why would everybody be running test only cycles? don't you think if it was that big of a problem, EVERYBODY would be experiencing the same issues.

anyway you've been told what would be best for you based on others own experiences, numerous times. if you don't want to listen, then just do whatever you want. i for one couldn't care less if you mess yourself up, or end up with half-assed results, it's just entertainment for me.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

I am not seeking gear recommendations, I am simply asking for first hand knowledge with the various preventative tasks and conclusively effective products

It is a problem, I see threads come up all the time about getting gyno even w/ standard pct

I don't have mpb but to play it safe, are there any effective hair loss preventions with Dht-based gear like Masteron?

This please^

 

[Hugh Myron]

Cycle is too short.

Also never run tren on a first cycle, you'll make great gains off test alone.

 

[halfwit]

It is a problem, I see threads come up all the time about getting gyno even w/ standard pct

I don't have mpb but to play it safe, are there any effective hair loss preventions with Dht-based gear like Masteron?

This please^

You've gotten really solid advice so far and yet you keep bulldozing over everyone's advice with your own retarded agenda. You state that you're scared of aromatization from testosterone, yet you're hopping into the pool head-first with a 19-Nor??! If you think that a failure of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is a big deal, imagine pissing milk out of your nipples as a failure in preventative measures. Six weeks is not long enough of a cycle to obtain any appreciable gains no matter how well you plan this out. If you're going to use AAS, do it when you have the time and patience to do it right. Baby steps win this race fella, not smug replies to some of the most knowledgeable folks on this board.

With regards to your question that you keep pasting over and over: I'm sorry, but genetics determine the efficacy of any drug you use to counteract the effects of DHT on your body. I don't think anyone can say with any amount of certainty what will and what won't prevent you from advancing any male-pattern baldness, which is also another reason why a testosterone only cycle is recommended for your first cycle. It gives you an idea how your body reacts to exogenous androgens before you delve into more advanced compounds which carry greater risks.

Good luck.


My .02c

 

[jedi_master]

6 week cycle is pointless, it only starts getting fun around week 8

Bad Idea arguing with vets before you even have one cycle under your belt. From what I've seen in friends and acquaintances, if you are pre-disposed to male pattern baldness.. aint NOTHIN gonna stop it when you're running DHT.

 

[jedi_master]

Also, considering you have no experience do not underestimate the strength of a test only cycle. I dont know why test only cycles have such a bad wrap, if you cant get big and strong as an ox on test you're doing something wrong!

Test is best.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

I took DADAWG's advice into account, I upped the cycle length from 6 to 8 weeks, I lowered the gear after considering his questioning of whether or not I need 1,050mg of gear a week to grow, I'm now weighing out, wondering if i should bump it up to 10 or 12 weeks. From what I've read, many people nowadays are high dosing everything, you don't need 300mg of tren or 600mg of test a week to grow.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

I feel like if I was some joe schmo with experience fouling up cycles that I would get the GO ahead on a cycle running these 3 compounds but instead I am hands down, no discussion, irrefutably wrong in wanting to try this

 

[3ct]

I feel like if I was some joe schmo with experience fouling up cycles that I would get the GO ahead on a cycle running these 3 compounds but instead I am hands down, no discussion, irrefutably wrong in wanting to try this

right, because people just want to make things difficult for you, that's how you see it right? it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that they too follow their own advise they are giving out.

also about the gyno comment about "it is a problem" there's no shortage of misinformed, retards in the AAS community. this should not be news to you, if you can't see that, then I just don't know maybe you're one of them. there's a lot of stupid idiots, that claim they are getting gyno beacuse they are playing with their nipples 24/7 and then they start to make them sensitive from playing with them so much and then they come to the conclusion they have gyno. there's idiots here thinking they are getting gyno after their 3rd injection, there's a thread that just popped up here that day. i wouldn't let these few jackasses give you the wrong idea, they truly are just fucking stupid. also, that's why you get blood work.

lastly, like halfwit said, you are worried about not being able to manage E2 but, you are ready to tackle prolactin from 19-nors? gyno is a problem for you but, shooting milk out of your nipples isn't?

 

[Ridiculous87]

Shooting milk out of your nipples? Sweet jesus lol

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

right, because people just want to make things difficult for you

No, but an overall fair post. There certainly isn't any reasonable discussion of other-than T first cycles and I think that's ridiculous. I think there should be an open discussion period.

 

[Sharmacus]

No, but an overall fair post. There certainly isn't any reasonable discussion of other-than T first cycles and I think that's ridiculous. I think there should be an open discussion period.

So what you are saying is you think testosterone shouldn't be recommended or shouldn't have to be a first cycle?

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

I'm saying that it shouldn't be black and white, there ought to be room for discussion. I think persons who want to run an alternative first cycle who complete thorough research, dose low-end, and include T should be acceptable.

 

[3ct]

I'm saying that it shouldn't be black and white, there ought to be room for discussion.

why do you think it is black and white? there must be a reason. probably because everybody's jealous of you and they don't want you to see great gains with other compounds, so they are telling you to use only test? it has to be something, what is it? why is it not open for discussion? think about it, why?

 

[Sharmacus]

I'm saying that it shouldn't be black and white, there ought to be room for discussion.

You don't make any sense. So what is your opinion on what a first cycle should be?

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

You're deluding yourself if you believe I think persons are out to sabotage me. I think that a successful first cycle hinges upon the user and not the stack

 

[halfwit]

You're deluding yourself if you believe I think persons are out to sabotage me. I think that a successful first cycle hinges upon the user and not the stack

Would you buy your first born child a Ferrari for their first car? I know mine was a Ford Escort; and like most teenage males, I obliterated it a mere couple months after getting the keys. If my Mother had allowed me to purchase the car I *wanted* (ass-magnet in the form of a formula firebird), I would probably not be alive today. The point is that people aren't trying to be condescending to you, it's that you should know how to "drive responsibly" before being put in the seat of a 651hp monster that can certainly mess you up if not treated with respect.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

I think that did it for me, thanks

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

I just read up on test suspension in the profiles page and quite a few threads.

1) As painful as it is powerful?

2) "Contrary to popular belief, the microcrystal design of this injectable will sustain an elevated testosterone release for 2-3 days." - True? (in ology's susp profile)

3) The most water retention of all test formulations?

4) Unstable levels of test causing high amounts of the compound to aromatize?

 

[jedi_master]

Why are you looking to use suspension for your first cycle? To maintain stable blood levels you need to shoot twice daily, regardless of what the profile says.

Im gonna be straight up. Grab yourself some Sustanon, run it 10-12 weeks and enjoy (obvi make sure u have pct). Ive ran tren and other powerful compounds many times and I still looove a nice sustanon run, its good shit.

I just read up on test suspension in the profiles page and quite a few threads.

1) As painful as it is powerful?

2) "Contrary to popular belief, the microcrystal design of this injectable will sustain an elevated testosterone release for 2-3 days." - True? (in ology's susp profile)

3) The most water retention of all test formulations?

4) Unstable levels of test causing high amounts of the compound to aromatize?