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[Sharmacus]

You've never even run a cycle please stop giving advice. Prop makes more sense because of it's cost, balanced level in the blood with ED injects, pre-wortkout psychological edge, and earlier pct-hastened recovery.

Stop trying to heighten your non-existent intelligence through spouting bullshit. Preworkout psychological edge? Lol this has to be a joke. I'm not upset but you trying to say I've got no right to give out advice when I've not done a cycle is a load of shit. Please aware me on where my advice was wrong. Please and thank you.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

The following are facts:

1) Prop is cheaper

2) Blood levels are balanced with ED injects

3) Pre-Workout Injections would improve mood and intensity

4) The prop ester leaves your system in approximately 3 days allowing for quicker pct

5)

The longer the release time the less free hormone. For example propionate is about 15% more potent mg. for mg. then enanthate so 500mg of propionate would equal about 575 mg. of enanthate.

 

[Metalhead]

Why are yall arguing? Just look at pupil2prodigy's avi for a few seconds, imagine your face is between them and let it go

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

Just trying to keep my noob no-cycle bullshit questionnaire on one thread and he's ripping on me with no experience.

 

[Getjacked1985]

This is why I don't need tv, because I can read threads like this even tho I spend half the time lookin at pupils avi. Also I would do 12 weeks test c. That stuff is freaking made for first timers.

 

[Metalhead]

True. Mildly entertaining with a shade of porn. hard to beat. P2p, is this your first cycle? My apologies for being lazy and not reading everything

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

It is certainly eye-catching, I've found it to be therapeutic even with high exposure.

 

[JM750]

fucking shit gets old after a while.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

True. Mildly entertaining with a shade of porn. hard to beat. P2p, is this your first cycle? My apologies for being lazy and not reading everything

Yes, and it's no worries. It's a long ass thread 1/2 of which is me taking the position that it is acceptable to run a test/tren A./masteron as a first cycle so long as you run it stringently. But I caved, I'll work with test only as a first cycle. I've got people advising me to run sustanon. But DaDawg told me not to combine short and long esters.

 

[Getjacked1985]

Yeah I mean he's annoying but I find humor in it I guess

 

[Metalhead]

Yes, and it's no worries, long ass thread 1/2 of which is me taking the position that it was acceptable to run a test/tren A./masteron as a first cycle so long as I ran it stringently

Gotcha. I personally wouldnt do that, even though i wanted too, or recommend it, but each to their own brother. Just do as much research as possible before you start pinning yourself

 

[halfwit]

Yes, and it's no worries. It's a long ass thread 1/2 of which is me taking the position that it is acceptable to run a test/tren A./masteron as a first cycle so long as you run it stringently. But I caved, I'll work with test only as a first cycle. I've got people advising me to run sustanon. But DaDawg told me not to combine short and long esters.

I am not a fan of sust personally, but some guys swear by it. Prop (imo) is either for you or it isn't - some guys get a TON of pip from it while others find it bearable. It is milligram per volume the highest concentration of testosterone available (aside from TNE) and does afford more regular/stable blood levels, but at the caveat of pinning ED or EoD.

If you don't mind pinning frequently and can handle the pip, I say go for it. But since you won't know until you try, I would at least get your feet "wet" with a nice long chain ester version such as cypionate or enanthate. Once you get the hang of pinning yourself and know what to expect, then maybe you could expand on to prop.

Of course if you think you can handle prop and are willing to take that chance - by all means give her a go!

My .02c

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

There are a lot of reasons why I'd opt for prop, but beginning pct only 3 days after last injection, certainly a very attractive attribute.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

My .02c

Valuable, thanks

 

[Sharmacus]

Valuable, thanks

No it's not. Because I bet you still end up doing prop, despite countless people telling you not to. Such a shame.

 

[jedi_master]

Prop isn't actually cheaper. Prop is typically 100mg/ml in a 10ml vial, that's a gram per vial so 1 vial is going to last you 2 weeks at 500mg per week. A vial of Sustanon or enanthate will give u 5 weeks at 500mg/week for typically and extra 20 bucks or so. 10 weeks of prop means you buy 5 vials, yea it kicks faster but enanthate or Sustanon u only need 2 vials for 10 weeks! U will have to wait longer for enanthate to kick in but Sustanon was made to give u stable blood levels and 4 release spikes from the first injection, it has prop and phenylprop as well as 2 long esters so it kicks sooner than enanthate.

Food for thought.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

That still leaves me with

Beginning pct only 3 days after last injection, certainly a very attractive attribute.

checkout the difference in fluctuation between sust/enanthate/propionate with this http://pct.befit4free.net/

 

[jedi_master]

Why do u find that so attractive, who gives a fuck if u start the day after or 2 weeks after, PCT sucks no matter what

Pinning every day is shitty. Twice a week is so0o0o much nicer

 

[3ct]

That still leaves me with

Beginning PCT only 3 days after last injection, certainly a very attractive attribute.

That doesn't mean you have to run prop the entire cycle. A lot of people will switch to prop the last two weeks or so before PCT so that they can run it longer and up to those 3 days after last injection.

Also somebody can correct me if I'm wrong since I've never ran prop. For some reason I'm recalling that prop does not give you that physiological pre-workout effect because it still has an ester attached to it, which means it still needs time to get in your blood etc. As far as I can tell, that TNE (Testosterone No Ester) is the only one that will give you that physiological pre-workout effect because it has no ester so it hits you immediately. Besides that, I dont think you will get any type of pre-workout effect with prop unless it's placebo. Like I said somebody that has actually done prop can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

That makes a lot of sense to me, that's why I ran it by DaDawg but he told me not to combine short and long esters, lol. What would that switch look like?

If I could use a long ester and finish with a short for quick post cycle therapy (pct), that'd be ideal to me

I don't know if this will help but I'm trying to attain a look somethin' approaching this

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