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[jedi_master]

Funny you mention this, I LITERALLY just got back from the gym and an hour before my workout I pinned 50mg test suspension, it was fuckin sick. And correct theres no pre workout effect from prop.

That doesn't mean you have to run prop the entire cycle. A lot of people will switch to prop the last two weeks or so before PCT so that they can run it longer and up to those 3 days after last injection.

Also somebody can correct me if I'm wrong since I've never ran prop. For some reason I'm recalling that prop does not give you that physiological pre-workout effect because it still has an ester attached to it, which means it still needs time to get in your blood etc. As far as I can tell, that TNE (Testosterone No Ester) is the only one that will give you that physiological pre-workout effect because it has no ester so it hits you immediately. Besides that, I dont think you will get any type of pre-workout effect with prop unless it's placebo. Like I said somebody that has actually done prop can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Sharmacus]

Why do u find that so attractive, who gives a fuck if u start the day after or 2 weeks after, PCT sucks no matter what

Pinning every day is shitty. Twice a week is so0o0o much nicer

Please stop helping this joke. Stop spoonfeeding him. Let him fucking research, then come back and make a thread with his proposed cycle.

That doesn't mean you have to run prop the entire cycle. A lot of people will switch to prop the last two weeks or so before PCT so that they can run it longer and up to those 3 days after last injection.

Also somebody can correct me if I'm wrong since I've never ran prop. For some reason I'm recalling that prop does not give you that physiological pre-workout effect because it still has an ester attached to it, which means it still needs time to get in your blood etc. As far as I can tell, that TNE (Testosterone No Ester) is the only one that will give you that physiological pre-workout effect because it has no ester so it hits you immediately. Besides that, I dont think you will get any type of pre-workout effect with prop unless it's placebo. Like I said somebody that has actually done prop can correct me if I'm wrong.

Please stop helping this retard. He needs to actually conduct research, and then come back and create a thread with his proposed cycle. This is going on long enough.

 

[jedi_master]

PCT isnt going to be faster for prop, you just do the pct sooner. When you run long esters you wait 2 weeks because theres still 2 weeks worth of test in your system, PCT is going to be the same length.

Hmn well that sounds very reasonable, what would the switch look like? Tho DaDawg told me not to combine the two lol..

If I could use a long ester and finish with a short for quick post cycle therapy (pct), that'd be ideal to me

and I don't know if this will help but I'm trying to attain a look somethin' approaching this

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[Pupil2Prodigy]

It would be the same length but started earlier thus less time in between cycles, you gotta wait 2-3 weeks with E&C, DaDawg said I could begin 3 days after last injection w/ prop

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

I LITERALLY just got back from the gym and an hour before my workout I pinned 50mg test suspension, it was fuckin sick.

sounds nice lol

 

[jedi_master]

The 2 weeks between ur last shot and PCT you are still on cycle, you still have plenty of test the first week, second week falls off.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

I'm obnoxious and I need to stay on my own thread

I've read the "ins and outs" of tren/mast/prop/pct/ai so can it. I've read plenty, I continue to ask questions, and more importantly I don't waste my time raggin on other persons threads

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

The 2 weeks between ur last shot and PCT you are still on cycle, you still have plenty of test the first week, second week falls off.

I don't understand why there are so many conflicting conclusions, the mod said I could begin pct 3 days after last prop inject..

 

[Metalhead]

Sharmin, its not gonna effect you either way what route he chooses. hes done some research, so chill a bit. Hes been recommended whats best to do for a first cycle, but if he chooses otherwise so be it. youre gonna have a haart attack by 25 or sooner at this pace

 

[Metalhead]

I don't understand why there are so many conflicting conclusions, the mod said I could begin pct 3 days after last prop inject..

Hes talking about long esters, e and c

 

[jedi_master]

I don't understand why there are so many conflicting conclusions, the mod said I could begin pct 3 days after last prop inject..

I meant if running long esters. Prop you start 3 days after. Sustanon, cyp, enanth u wait 2 weeks for the test to clear ur system before starting pct

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

But what about the switch? Prop just for the last few weeks or are you talking about stacking prop with E/c for last few??

 

[jedi_master]

Lol dont bother switching bro, jus over complicating. Run a long ester and just wait the 2 weeks before pct. Its a gradual comedown as opposed to more of a crash from the short ester.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

Hes been recommended whats best to do for a first cycle, but if he chooses otherwise so be it.

I've already caved. Gave up the idea of Prop/Tren/Mast - just can't get past the fact that cycle-to-cycle would be a week or two short than w/ long esters

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

Lol dont bother switching bro, jus over complicating. Run a long ester and just wait the 2 weeks before pct. Its a gradual comedown as opposed to more of a crash from the short ester.

Is there a definitive difference in crashes? That would definitely kick the ball in E's court

 

[jedi_master]

Couldnt find individual graphs but here is a graph of sustanons release cycle

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As you can see Propionate is in there and its straight up and straight down. Looking at Decanoate (imagine its enanth or cyp for arguments sake although its quite a bit longer) It takes a long ass time to build up then a gradual come down.

If you will, take in the chart as a whole. This is sustanon, you have the benefits of pronionate in that your serum test levels will be elevated sooner and you have 4 peaks and a steady release as opposed to propionate building up fast and leaving fast or enanthate taking 4-5 weeks for u to feel anything then weeks to clear.

This is why sustanon was invented and this is why some people swear by it. Test is test but Prop ends up costing a lot more and the pip sucks ass. Enanthate is nice that you only have to inject twice a week but anything under 12 weeks is pointless because it doesn't kick until a few weeks in anyways.

Sustanon is the in between, its got prop, its got long esters, your levels will be up sooner and you only need to inject twice a week. Sorry to keep harping on it but sustanon is pretty much the perfect steroid to start off with.

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

That's a pretty big vote in favor of Sustanon

My first cycle being Sustanon - 10, 12, or 15 weeks?

 

[jedi_master]

That's a pretty big vote in favor of Sustanon

My first cycle being Sustanon - 10, 12, or 15 weeks?

15 weeks is a bit ambitious for a first cycle but I feel 10 weeks is just a tad bit short, 12 weeks is good. If you buy 3 vials of sust you'd use up the first 2 and only use 4 shots out of the second vial.

Save the rest of the third vial and add it to cycle #2

Hope I've been able to help. Good luck

 

[Pupil2Prodigy]

Big thanks bro, cool as shit
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[Sharmacus]

Sharmin, its not gonna effect you either way what route he chooses. hes done some research, so chill a bit. Hes been recommended whats best to do for a first cycle, but if he chooses otherwise so be it. youre gonna have a haart attack by 25 or sooner at this pace

If I do, so be it. Gotta live it up before I die.