creatine ethly ester no xplode and other

[indrid_cold17]

is there a big diff between say pure powder creatine ethyl ester and stuff like no xplode,no shotgun and similar products??

 

[Suareezay]

creatine is one of the few supps worth actively pursuing. NOxplod just happens to be one wway to go about getting it - along with caffeine, lytrosine, etc.

As is the case with most other fitness supps, I would forget the name brands even exist and go with TrueProtein formulas - they are more potent and more cost effective than anything youll find at GNC.

 

[juced_porkchop]

creatine is one of the few supps worth actively pursuing. NOxplod just happens to be one wway to go about getting it - along with caffeine, lytrosine, etc.

As is the case with most other fitness supps, I would forget the name brands even exist and go with TrueProtein formulas - they are more potent and more cost effective than anything youll find at GNC.

ya i just told him that in another thred. maybe he thinks im joking when i say shelf crap is worthless ripp off for young dumb minds.

truprotein.com get your NO and creatine. pluse CEE i think is bull shit go with creatine mono. dos same thing some say better and its 1/9th of cost . but if you still want it youl still save with going with bulk powders.


how old are you?? and your workout exp??

 

[simonbodyscience]

is there a big diff between say pure powder creatine ethyl ester and stuff like no xplode,no shotgun and similar products??

first off no xplode doesnt have CEE, it has been exposed as only having creatine mono. stay away frome caffeine as i tell all my clients as it is counter productive, arginine and creatine are not friends.

take CEE on non workout days and post workout

take a caffeine free pre workout on workout days (obviously).

 

[Jjaden]

first off no xplode doesnt have CEE, it has been exposed as only having creatine mono. stay away frome caffeine as i tell all my clients as it is counter productive, arginine and creatine are not friends.

take CEE on non workout days and post workout

take a caffeine free pre workout on workout days (obviously).

I would be interested to hear your reasoning for this.
If you could elaborate, specifically on why caffeine and arginine aren't to be used...

 

[simonbodyscience]

I would be interested to hear your reasoning for this.
If you could elaborate, specifically on why caffeine and arginine aren't to be used...

yeah sure mate,

put simply arginine is a vasodilator
caffeine is a duiretic... creatine molecules transport water to the muscle cells and caffeine dehydrates the cells... you see it doesnt make sense to have them all thrown together like that.

in muscle building terms the last thing you want (particularly when gaining as opposed to cutting) is to consume caffeine albeit in a pre workout, coffee, coke etc.... it's counter productive.
those of us that are self motivating should avoid.. and those 7 day wonders or people that need a stimulant to get off the coach use no xplode and a-like at your own peril

 

[Suareezay]

and caffeine dehydrates the cells...

so drink more water.

caffeine is fine.

 

[simonbodyscience]

so drink more water.

caffeine is fine.

caffeine is fine for the average lifter but for those of us that are serious about what we put in our system caffeine is an unnecessary speed hump.

 

[Suareezay]

caffeine is fine for the average lifter but for those of us that are serious about what we put in our system caffeine is an unnecessary speed hump.

what does the effect of caffeine have to do with your "seriousness" and how is it a "speed hump".

 

[JayC]

caffeine is fine for the average lifter but for those of us that are serious about what we put in our system caffeine is an unnecessary speed hump.

I disagree... I know the pro & con's of caffeine and understand your reasoning above but your logic is a little flawed. I'm very serious about what I put in my body and I train 7 days a week (weight lifting, running/sprinting, Jiu Jitsu, Mui Thai, wrestling, and strength/conditiniong), I use caffeine in moderate doses to start my day and pre work out to avoid unwanted fatigue. I also drink 2 gallons of water a day. I do not feel it negatively effects me in anyway.. I actually think the impact 99% positive.

 

[simonbodyscience]

I disagree... I know the pro & con's of caffeine and understand your reasoning above but your logic is a little flawed. I'm very serious about what I put in my body and I train 7 days a week (weight lifting, running/sprinting, Jiu Jitsu, Mui Thai, wrestling, and strength/conditiniong), I use caffeine in moderate doses to start my day and pre work out to avoid unwanted fatigue. I also drink 2 gallons of water a day. I do not feel it negatively effects me in anyway.. I actually think the impact 99% positive.

Sure, and caffeine is great for cyclist's/ironman etc... a great supplement for cardio.. but when it come to bodybuilding its not great. particularly when mixed with a vasodilator ie; arginine, they dont work in synergy therefore getting back to my original point stay away from pre workouts that contain caffeine.

 

[Suareezay]

Sure, and caffeine is great for cyclist's/ironman etc... a great supplement for cardio.. but when it come to bodybuilding its not great. particularly when mixed with a vasodilator ie; arginine, they dont work in synergy therefore getting back to my original point stay away from pre workouts that contain caffeine.

and youre basing this on....?

 

[Suareezay]

The acute effects of a caffeine-containing supplement on strength, muscular endurance, and anaerobic capabilities.
Beck TW, Housh TJ, Schmidt RJ, Johnson GO, Housh DJ, Coburn JW, Malek MH.

Department of Nutrition and Health Sciences, Human Performance Laboratory, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Lincoln, NE 68588, USA. tbeck@unlserve.unl.edu

The purpose of this study was to examine the acute effects of a caffeine-containing supplement on upper- and lower-body strength and muscular endurance as well as anaerobic capabilities. Thirty-seven resistance-trained men (mean +/- SD, age: 21 +/- 2 years) volunteered to participate in this study. On the first laboratory visit, the subjects performed 2 Wingate Anaerobic Tests (WAnTs) to determine peak power (PP) and mean power (MP), as well as tests for 1 repetition maximum (1RM), dynamic constant external resistance strength, and muscular endurance (TOTV; total volume of weight lifted during an endurance test with 80% of the 1RM) on the bilateral leg extension (LE) and free-weight bench press (BP) exercises. Following a minimum of 48 hours of rest, the subjects returned to the laboratory for the second testing session and were randomly assigned to 1 of 2 groups: a supplement group (SUPP; n = 17), which ingested a caffeine-containing supplement, or a placebo group (PLAC; n = 20), which ingested a cellulose placebo. One hour after ingesting either the caffeine-containing supplement or the placebo, the subjects performed 2 WAnTs and were tested for 1RM strength and muscular endurance on the LE and BP exercises. The results indicated that there was a significant (p < 0.05) increase in BP 1RM for the SUPP group, but not for the PLAC group. The caffeine-containing supplement had no effect, however, on LE 1RM, LE TOTV, BP TOTV, PP, and MP. Thus, the caffeine-containing supplement may be an effective supplement for increasing upper-body strength and, therefore, could be useful for competitive and recreational athletes who perform resistance training.

I wonder if competitive athletes are considered "serious"?

 

[simonbodyscience]

I wonder if competitive athletes are considered "serious"?

haha, no one is denying caffeines capabilities in terms of energy, intensity and explosiveness.. it is a stimulant after all.. however when using caffeine in conjunction with arginine it becomes a no brainer that the two counter act one another as opposed to compliment that was my original point.

do you actually understand the fundementals of the two?
anyway this thread is getting old man, lets agree to disagree

 

[Suareezay]

lets agree to disagree

but thats no fun.

if I had to decide to between caffeine and arginine before a workout, that would be a no-brainer. arginine and pump products are teh suck.

stay away from pre workouts that contain caffeine.

for what reason? (assuming we're not wasting money on pump products)