Cycle advice please

Ahmess

New member
Hi all,
My first post, I've been reading a couple profiles and threads and feel comfortable asking about the cycle I started two weeks ago.
I'm:
6'5"
230
25 yrs old

I take 1 50mg dbol twice a day
I work construction and exercise everyday with body weight, but only get to the gym 2-3 times a week. I want to start an intramuscular cycle now and was offered deca and t400 and tren.
I don't take any pre or post drinks or shakes
I don't have a plan for post cycle or time line and need some solid advice, no nay sayers please.
I also take a multivitamin, milk thistle, and b12
I'm looking into a cross fit program
 
while taking dbol your natty test is shut down, id take the offer for the test, but that's it for the first cycle, if you relly wanted you could continue to use the dbol for the first 4 weeks of the cycle but you can stop it at that point because the test will kick in.
You want to run it at 250mg 2x a week for 12 weeks
also you need to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin at 12.5mg everyday for 14.5weeks
when done the aromasin at 14.5 weeks you want to run your pct
a nolva/clomid combo may be best
clomid at 50mg everyday for 4 weeks
nolva 40 mg a day for 2 weeks and then 20mg a day for 2 weeks
so itll look like this
week 1-4 dbol at 50mg a day 2x a day
week 1-12 250mg 2x a week of test enthanate or cyp (t400 is a little much for your first cycle)
week 1-14.5 12.5mg aromasin every day
week 14.5-18.5 50mg clomid everyday
week 14.5-16.5 40mg nolva everyday
week 16.5-18.5 20 mg nolva every day

but before any of that you need to make sure your diet is in check, and I wont tell you my opinion on crossfit, im sure some people love it, its just not for me, but you can make some great gains on a 4 or 5 dys a week schedual
 
Couple things, 100mg of dbol is a lot. I would cut that back to 50 per day for 4 weeks, and make sure you're taking something for your liver like ALA and NAC

Newf, you should clarify some of your numbers. I think I know what you mean, but it's a little confusing. A 12 week cycle ends at the end of the 12th week, if you take week 13 off and start PCT at the beginning of week 14, that's only 1 week off, not 2. I'm sure you meant 14-12=2 weeks, but it doesn't. OP, you should wait 2-3 weeks after your last test pin before starting PCT, assuming you're using test E or C. I agree with newf, you should use a single ester, either C or E rather than a blend like T400. I would also add HCG.
 
And like metalhead said, read the stickie and read though some other new cycle posts, there's a lot of them.

BTW, you'll get a lot more traffic to your questions if you post them in the main AS forum.
 
yea sorry about that,your exactly right rumpy.. I did mean 12-14=2 weeks, and I didn't include Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) because im not using it for my first cycle as it isn't a MUST for such a cycle, but still couldn't hurt
 
Any advice on diet? And is tren side effects not worth the pay off ie. Higher gains low water retention, and lack of estrogen? And what is hcg?
 
Chorionic gonadotropin is a hormone found in the female body during the early months of pregnancy (it is produced in the placenta). It is in fact the pregnancy indicator looked at by the over the counter pregnancy test kits, as due to its origin it is not found in the body at any other time. Blood levels of this hormone will become noticeable as early as seven days after ovulation. The level will rise evenly, reaching a peak at approximately two to three months into gestation. After this point, the hormone level will drop gradually until the point of birth. As a prescription drug, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) offers us some interesting benefits. In the United States, we have the two popular brands, Pregnyl, made by Organon, and Profasi, made by Serono. These are FDA approved for the treatment of undescended testicles in young boys, hypogonadism (underproduction of testosterone) and as a fertility drug used to aid in inducing ovulation in women. When prepared as a medical item, this hormone comes from a human origin. Although there is often a fear of biological origin products, there is little research to be found regarding pathogen or sterility problems with HCG. The problems seen with human origin growth hormone are certainly not to be repeated with HCG, as this compound is obtained in a much different way............. While Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) offers the female no performance enhancing ability, it does prove very useful to the male steroid user. The obvious use of course being to stimulate the production of endogenous testosterone. The activity of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in the male body is due to its ability to mimic LH (luteinizing hormone), a pituitary hormone that stimulates the Leydig's cells in the testes to manufacture testosterone. Restoring endogenous testosterone production is a special concern at the end of each steroid cycle, a time when a subnormal androgen level (due to steroid induced suppression) could be very costly. The main concern is the action of cortisol, which in many ways is balanced out by the effect of androgens. Cortisol sends the opposite message to the muscles than testosterone, or to breakdown protein in the cell. Left unchecked (by an extremely low testosterone level) in the body, cortisol can quickly strip much of your new muscle mass away.............. The main focus with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is to restore the normal ability of the testes to respond to endogenous luteinizing hormone. After a long period of inactivity, this ability may have been seriously reduced. In such a state testosterone levels may not reach a normal point, even though the release of endogenous LH has been resumed. Many who have suffered severe testicular shrinkage may be able to relate, as it is often some time before normal testicle size and feelings of virility are restored if ancillary drugs had not been used. The excessive stimulation brought forth by administration of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can likewise cause the testicles to rapidly return to their normal size and level of activity. We are not simply looking for it to fix the problem however, as the resulting high testosterone level can itself trigger negative feedback inhibition at the hypothalamus. Estrogen production is also heightened with the use of HCG, due to its ability to increase aromatase activity in the Leydig's cells. This is due to the main action of HCG, namely the increase of cycIicAMP (a secondary messenger that regulates cellular activity). When stimulated by HCG, the ability of the testes to aromatize androgens could potentially be heightened several times greater than normal. This also may inhibit testosterone production, so we therefore use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) only as a quick shock to the testes................... The usual protocol is to inject 1500-3000 I.U. every 4th or 5th day, for a duration usually no longer than 2 or 3 weeks. If used for too long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the Leydig's cells to luteinizing hormone, further hindering a return to homeostasis. Timing the initial dose is also very crucial. If your were coming off a cycle of Sustanon for example, testosterone levels in your blood will likely stay elevated for at least 3 to 4 weeks after your last injection. Taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on the day of your last shot would therefore be useless. Instead one would want to calculate the last week in which androgen levels are likely to be above normal, and begin ancillary drug therapy at this point. In this case Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would be started around the third or fourth week. Likewise, after ending a cycle of Dianabol (an oral) your blood levels will be sub normal after the third day. Here you may want to begin Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy a few days before your last intake of tablets, giving it a few days to take effect. One would also want to give some thought to the level of suppression that the cycle might have brought about. After an 8 week cycle of Equipoise for example, 1500-2500 I.U. would likely be a sufficient initial dosage. The lower amount of hormonal suppression one associates with this drug would probably not require much more. On the other hand, 750-1000mg of Sustanon per week might incline the user to inject a much larger Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dose, perhaps as much as 5000 I.U. for the opening application. It may thereafter also be a good idea to reduce the dosage on subsequent shots, so as to step down the intake of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the two or three weeks of intake.................... As discussed above, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) acts only to mimic the action of LH. It is likewise not the perfect hormone to combat testosterone suppression, and for this reason it is used most often in conjunction with estrogen antagonists such as Clomid, Nolvadex or cyclofenil. These drugs have a different effect on the regulating system, namely inhibiting estrogen-induced suppression at the hypothalamus. This of course also helps to restore the release of testosterone, although through a much different mechanism than HCG. A combination of both drugs appears to be very synergistic, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) providing an immediate effect on the testes (shocking them out of inactivity) while the anti-estrogen helps later to block inhibition on the hypothalamus and resume the normal release of gonadotropins from the pituitary. The typical procedure involves giving the Clomid/Nolvadex dose from the start with HCG, but continuing it alone for a few weeks once Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) has been discontinued. This practice should effectively raise testosterone levels, which will hopefully remain stable once Clomid/Nolvadex have been discontinued. While unfortunately there is no way to retain all of the muscle gains produced by anabolic steroids, using ancillaries to restore a balanced hormonal state is the best way to minimize the loss felt with ending a cycle.......................
 
as for tren, you want to avoid that for your first several cycles and should only consider when you are comfortable with aas and their side effects. as for being worth it that's up to you to decide, and there is a full section on this site regarding diet, im not going to go into that because its different fir everyone, what works for me may not work for u
 
*sigh* . . . Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is something you should put in the 'Search' box on the top of the page. It keeps your nuts from shrinking while on cycle and helps you recover faster when you start PCT. I cannot understand how you could possibly not know that, I'm just sure it's in the 'First Cycle' stickie. You did read the stickie before asking questions, right?

Please, do NOT run tren on your first cycle.
 
Okay this is what I got from your info and the threads provided:
Week 1-6: 50mg dbol a day (wont have test til start of week 4, allowing 2 weeks to kick in)
Week 4-12: 500mg test a week ( E or C? Can get either)
Week 1-12: 12.5mg Armidex a day ( as needed)
Week 4-12: 500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a week
Week 13-14.5: 1000iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (a day?)
Week 14.5-18.5: 50mg a day clomid
Week 14.5-16.5: 40mg a day nolvadex
Week 16.5-18.5: 20mg a day nolvadex

My questions are whether test e or c is preferred?
What is an iu
Is 1000. A day a little over kill?
And for an estrogen blocker I have armidex, clomid, letrozole, nolvqdex, and proviron available to me, armidex sounded best. in the profile section
 
there is no real difference is enthanate or cyp, IU is the amount of drug(or powder) not in water, you have to mix your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in bac water and keep it refrigerated, normal practice is 5ml for 5000iu amp giving you 1000iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) per 1ml of liquid, there are several thread on this site regarding mixing hcg. I think 1000iu a day is a little much, from what I read 500 is plenty, but best to confirm with someone

you have your arimidex dosed at 12.5mg, either you have aromasin, which 12.5mg/day is fine, or you want to dose your arimidex at 0.25mg eod, or even a much as 0.5mg eod, depending on how you feel.

and yes arimidex is fine for Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and its nice to have nolva on hand in case of gyno, and imo a clomid/nolva combo pct is good to go,

just make sure you take your arimidex 2-3 weeks after your last test shot and stop it the day before you start your pct
 
HCG doesn't seem necessary unless I have any problems with sex drive or erections? I mean until 10 days before pct.
 
some people don't use it with basic cycles, I chose not to, im running 500 mg test e per week, I don't know if the dbol u want to take will matter or not, that's a decision you have to make
 
I picked up masterol to stack with test e for a leaner look while adding bulk, it is a recommended combo both on the profile and from my supplier for the results I am looking for. Thanks for directing my inquiries and answering a bunch of them too
 
Sticky's....that's what everyone should read first...no plan for PCT?????? Jeeeez us christ...I must be getting tired....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
 
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