cycle question....please help

[doitright24]

i am looking to begin cutting. i have used stanzolol in the past with good sucess but i want to add something to the mix. can someone give me a little info on tren. when i bulk i respond very well to enanthate, i was wondering if some trenenanthate would give me some lean gains... i want to make my order soon, so please give me some feedback. i was thinking of Winstrol (winny) and trenenanthate....what do you guys think, and what dosage would be good???


stats:

age: 24
height: 5'5"
weight: 177

 

[Cobra Strike]

tren is awsome...high calories you can bulk and lower calories you can cut...in my experience...you better run some test with those as well

but Im no expert on this shit

 

[Juicer2222]

winny: 50mg ed
tren enan: 300mg/wk

might be a good reference point to start.

like cobra said, i would recommend running test with it. like test enan 500mg/wk.

just some ideas for you, take it for what its worth. and definately search around other posts about Winstrol (winny) and tren dosages

 

[dacmac]

im on tren/test prop now, both 75mg/ed. very solid gains into week 3, im also taking 300mg parabolan <to kick in week 4 when the tren ace is done>. maybe stick with a short ester if you dont mind being a pin cushin? would keep hormone levels more even and limite wate retention with test prop, just my .02 though

good luck regardless mate

 

[Cobra Strike]

im on tren/test prop now, both 75mg/ed. very solid gains into week 3, im also taking 300mg parabolan <to kick in week 4 when the tren ace is done>. maybe stick with a short ester if you dont mind being a pin cushin? would keep hormone levels more even and limite wate retention with test prop, just my .02 though

good luck regardless mate

wouldnt a short ester make your levels fluctuate more??? I mean thats why you have to pin ed or eod because the ester cleaves at such a fast rate...so in theory your levels would be up and down because you would reach the half lifes sooner???...long esters cleave slower and biuld up better which in my mind would be able to keep your blood levels at a more even keel...

Just my thoughts though

 

[doitright24]

thanks guys, i am running test e at 375 every three days now, just just incorporate the Winstrol (winny) and the tren into the mix? drop my test e to 300 - 500mg a week? what is the difference in tren enanthate and tren acetate? (is this the ester lenght that you were refering to dacmac)?

 

[dacmac]

yeah tren ace has about a 36-48 hour half life from what i understand. and they way i understood it if you pin every day with a short ester is made the levels more stable <just made sense to me when I came across it, but who am i to say different> ive always ran tren ace, this is the first time every day though, i love it, im using it to frontload until the tren hex kicks in <takes about 3/4 weeks> and its close to tren enathate, so i can give you an update in a few weeks on which one kicked my ass more =)

also id like to get down to the, ed/short ester and e3d/long ester debate, to the boards! lol

cheers

 

[doitright24]

ok, thanks a lot for the help guys. what kind of sides should i be expecting from the tren? i have seen some pretty crazy shit on here about it. is there anything different that i sould be doing with my diet or lifting to go along with the tren? to be honest, i am excited about trying it, just want to make sure i get it right.

 

[dacmac]

i respond really well to tren, but it affects people differently. i just have night sweats and a little bit of a short fuse, which is saying something because im pretty tame. if you go with tren ace youll start feeling it in about 2 weeks and it will hit you like a shit ton of bricks. example, last week i was doing 185 4x10 on underhand bent over barbell rows, lastnight on my 5th set 245 for 5. huge strength and size gains so far. as far as diet goes, i usually do a CKD but since im frontloading with mdrol ive been eating ~170g carbs to get the most gains. i recommend a cyclical ketogenic diet for cutting for sure, tren + meat sweats from all the protein/fats youll be sweating all day lol

goodluck

 

[doitright24]

ok, will the gains from the tren stick around a while, or will they diminish significantly after i come off of it? i know the strenght will, but what about the size?

 

[dacmac]

i kept most of my gains last time, i have a cocktail of post cycle therapy (pct) for this cycle to keep the most gains i can. you cant go wrong with tren if you can handle the sides <if you get them>

 

[Juicer2222]

From what I understand to prevent more serious sides like gyno a lot of ppl will run .5mg of prami ed. As far as keeping ur gains just check out that pct thread. And u can get all that stuff from rui, the banner at the top.

 

[Cobra Strike]

ok, will the gains from the tren stick around a while, or will they diminish significantly after i come off of it? i know the strenght will, but what about the size?

the gains all depend on how your run your shit....you have to eat alot to support the new muscle....when your off low reps high intensity work outs are best...pct at the right time and run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) through your cycle...you wont just keep gains, it takes alot of work

 

[UserAt204]

Very true cobra. And at this point I'm not sure, it would seem long esters are easier to maintain blood levels. Shooting ED would provide the most stable with a long ester but we base it on half life to get an approximate best time to remain stable. I'm going to look into this some more.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Ya it was just an uninvestigated theory...let me know what you find out

 

[UserAt204]

Where is RJ when we need him. I can bet he has an answer.

 

[Cobra Strike]

say something completey fuckin retarded that might get someone killed...its like the batman spotlight in gotham for rj

 

[ezred]

in theory, slower release should always equate to more stability. just came up with an analogy I will try out. imagine filling a bathtub with a hose. if you fire up the hose full blast the water will fill quickly, but it is gonna be choppy. tone it down, and it takes a lot longer to fill. but the water will remain more calm because the water coming in is more gradual. the visuals make sense?

that's what happens with your blood levels.

also, with the high pressure water flow vs low pressure concept, consider hoe the more full the bath gets the more the water calms down regardless of which hose you are filling with.

 

[Cobra Strike]

in theory, slower release should always equate to more stability. just came up with an analogy I will try out. imagine filling a bathtub with a hose. if you fire up the hose full blast the water will fill quickly, but it is gonna be choppy. tone it down, and it takes a lot longer to fill. but the water will remain more calm because the water coming in is more gradual. the visuals make sense?

that's what happens with your blood levels.

also, with the high pressure water flow vs low pressure concept, consider hoe the more full the bath gets the more the water calms down regardless of which hose you are filling with.

So in theory...I was correct!!! lol

 

[scotimusprime]

say something completey fuckin retarded that might get someone killed...its like the batman spotlight in gotham for rj

just start a new account and say something like

"im 160 lbs and just got my first gym membership. i eat tuna on crackers to bulk, can i do a tren and dbol cylce? oh ya and i dont do deadlifts because they make me sweat"