Dante Trudel's Doggcrapp Training System

DLC68

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Due to a discussion in the thread regarding resting times, Dante Trudel's Training System came up so of course as I'm always interested in learning I took a look. I found this article.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_7_24/ai_n26979199

Much to my surprise I have some similar training ideologies which I see this very adaptable to what I already do. I have not ever heard or done a rest-pause. workout so this has intrigued me enough that I'm going to try to sit down this weekend to look more into this to come up with a game plan for myself.

Mikea has been doing this and I would be interested to know more about this then what I've read; or any others out there that have done this and been successful.

There is a sample workout on page 6. I have a question, am I correct that for each body part there are 3 exercises for 9 sets total? I ask because when I read the article I must have misinterpreted things said.

I'm also wondering how long this would take and if being tired more then half way through it will I still have enough juice in the tank to continue?

For myself I already work out 3 days a week in Push-Legs-Pull workout so this seems to fit in with some changes. I like to keep my workouts around an hour. This looks like it will take quite a bit longer. Not that I can't change I've just always had the mentality to get in and get out and don't over do it and this seems to board on over doing things. Thought?

Thanks for any help.
 
Not like I am trying to direct traffic away from the board, but if you are really interested in DC training the best place on the net is IntenseMuscle.com - Powered by vBulletin .

I know the basic "skeleton" program, but as far as troubleshooting and diet I can't help you there.

It's pretty indepth and hard to figure out on your own without week and week of research.

If I ever wanted to take a good run at DC I would find one of Dante's trainees and I would pay them to train me online (Dante doesn't train many people any more).
 
The link with in the article I attached and I hopped over there. From a quick glance I knew it would take some intense searching to find what I was looking for so thought I'd put it to the people here; since I'm here. Thanks though.
 
Well after more research I have those sorted out more and I see many positives in this lifting style. Tonight I will sit down to draw up a schedule and put this into motion.

As I said earlier, this has a lot of things parallel to my own lifting beliefs. Incorporating this won't be difficult, the difficult part will be the actual lifting. I hope to be able to come up with a plan tonight so that when I lift next I can just fine tune every workout.

Back in 2002 I was doing the H.I.T. (High Intensity Training) program by Robert E. Spector. I had good success with this but my success got even better when I incorporated myself some extra lifting. When done my lift to failure I would wait a few seconds and then try to lift a few more reps. What I was doing is similar to the "rest-pause" training the Dante Trudel expresses in his workout. Because of my own experience and excellent results I foresee good things with this workout and am looking forward to giving this a try.

For now my focus is on the lifting, the diet portion will be something I will look to later on. I already eat fairly health in a good 5-6 meal format so this will only take some tweaking; and of course will power.
 
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NOOOOO High volume low intensity is the way to go;) JK

Start by reading this:

All about Doggcrapp and DC Training: Cycles For Pennies Continues

I have never really trained pure DC myself, but have used a lot from Dante to my advantage, mainly because the one rep max is my ultimate goal.

Check out MilkDaScows Journal in the journal section, hes done some nice things with adding westside style to DC, WAY too much volume for a natty tho.

Dc training looks pretty simple but trust me it is not! The only place for your sake i would go to is intensemuscle.com, DC himself posts there, and its just full of golden nuggets. That is the only place myself would try and learn anything about DC training. But please share with us what your doing.

Im gonna cut and paste a great post by BigDown Under from intensemuscle:

This is not exhaustive, but I'd like to help some of the newer DC trainees with some basic but important facets of DC training.
Dante - If any of the info here is overstepping the mark, please let me know

(I will add to this thread when time permits - no doubt I have left some things out, so bear with me).

PRE-DC

1. Before Even Considering Beginning DC:
> you should have exhausted all other avenues; i.e. DC should not be one of the first dozen or so routines which you have attempted;
> you should have built a solid foundation (mass/strength) from a few years of consistent training (more on this below in item 2);
> you should have learnt a great deal about nutrition and how your body reacts to different foods; i.e. are you sensitive to carbs; are you lactose intolerant etc;
> you should have learnt how to perform all of the major lifts with correct form;
> you should have learnt how to train with very high intensity without sacrificing good safe form;
> you should have learnt how to read your body and gauge recovery to prevent going into overtraining;
> you should have your body fat under control;
> you should be training at a very well equipped gym; and
> you should have learnt that consistency in training, diet, rest etc over long periods of time is the key to transforming your body.

2. Building a (strength/mass) Foundation
If you are being brutally honest with yourself and do not feel that you are advanced enough to be doing DC yet, there are many great routines out there.
The best routines are those that focus on progression with the basic compound movements; i.e. squats, deadlifts, bench pressing, military presses, dips, rows, chins etc.

DO NOT JUMP FROM ROUTINE TO ROUTINE EVERY FEW WEEKS OR MONTHS, DO THEM STRICTLY AS LAID OUT AND BE PATIENT.

Below are some time proven options for building a foundation: -

2.1 Basic Strength Routine

This is a routine based on Mark Rippetoe’s book called “Starting Strength”. You can buy the book at The Aasgaard Company. Mark's clients generally gain 30-40 pounds in around 6 months.

The program is very simple, but also very effective.

Alternate Workout A and Workout B every other day, 3 times a week; i.e. MWF.

e.g.

Week 1:

M - Workout A
W -Workout B
F - Workout A

Week 2:

M- Workout B
W - Workout A
F - Workout B

Repeat.

Do your warm-ups and then do the work sets listed below with the same working weight.

Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
**2x8 Dips (or assisted dip machine or decline DB bench press)

Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Standing military press
3x5 Pendlay or BB Rows
**2x8 Chin-ups

** = optional.

Form:
Make sure that you learn proper form before using heavy weight.
Do not ever sacrifice good form for more weight.
Post videos on here for constructive feedback on your form, or enter ISOM.
Check out the links below from experienced members here.
Always lower the weight with control.

Isolation Exercises:
If you think that you need more isolation exercises for arms, think again.
Your arms get hit by doing bench (triceps), dips (triceps), military press (triceps), BB Rows (biceps) and chin ups (biceps).
Do not add any direct arm work - we will worry about the detail once the foundation has been built

Poundages:
Do not increase the weight until you get all sets with the target weight.
Start about 15% below your max when starting out.
Aim to increase your lifts by around 2.5% every week if you make your targets.

Warm-up Sets:
Do enough to warmp up and nothing more.
If you are doing 200lb squats for 3 sets of 5:
Do something like > 55 x 5 > 95 x 5 > 145 x 3 > 175 x 2 >>> then 200 x 5 x 3 sets

If you are lifting your working sets under 150 I would cut out the 3rd warmup set of 1x5 because it wont be needed.

Rest interval
Take enough rest so that you are ready to give your next work set 100%.

Diet
Read up on this site or contact local nutrition expert, Skip.

3. Before Starting War with the LogBook
You should:
> Read all you can here at this forum - read and re-read all of the stickies; search all threads/posts made by Doggcrapp, In-Human, KidRock, MassiveG, SuperD, Gollum, BigDownUnder, BrianB2368 and theNatural: copy the important info to a word doc for future reference;
> Put together a DC routine and diet based upon the info which you have found here and according to YOUR BODY;
> 90% of trainees make the best gains on the 2 way split done three non-consecutive days per week (i.e. Mon/Wed/Fri) - do not make the mistake of doing the 3 way split because it will most likely not be the most suitable DC routine for YOU;
> the 3 way split is used by highly advanced trainee's to bring up weaker body parts and in some cases those with sub-par recovery levels, in which case it is done on a lower frequency;
> Start a new thread in here - post your training history; age; weight; height; bodyfat; photos; activity levels during the day (student/labourer); metabolism; carb sensitivty; food allergies; any pre-existing injuries etc; your DC routine and diet to get some constructive criticism;
> Take a week off training while you are finalising your DC Program;
> Order any supplements which you may need from trueprotein.com and use a discount code to get a 5% off (mine is in my signature), or even better yet order in bulk and get a larger discount in conjunction with the discount code;
> Make sure that your gym is very well equipped because eventually you will need to switch exercises;
> When selecting exercises, choose compound movements which allow you to use heavy poundages and allow for greater progression;
> Use a controlled negative on all exercises;
> Get yourself a logbook to record your workouts - the primary aim with DC is to use progressively heavier weights with strict/safe form;
> Get yourself some scales to measure your food;
> Take some pictures of yourself and also take your body measurements;
> Get yourself some wrist straps for deadlifts, barbell rows, hammer curls, rack chins etc;
> Get some Inzer knee wraps to use for squatting;
> Have a look at the following videos online of DC trainee's using correct form:
YouTube - daisimae's Channel
YouTube - Jason Wojo - food prep part 2
YouTube - BrianB2368's Channel
YouTube - skuclo's Channel
> Consider purchasing the following DVD's by advanced DC trainee's (note: these trainee's are highly advanced and may not be using the 2 way split which is more suitable for you):
Jason Wojo
http://www.troponinnutrition.com/ind...d=19&Itemid=37

4. Nutrition
DC Nutrition is highly individual but having said that there are some basic guidelines which most can follow and adapt to suit their specific situation.
I'm not going to divulge anything here which is not already freely available (otherwise Dante would have my head on a platter).
Food is like the engine for the machine with DC - without it you will remain in neutral and make little to no progress.
DC is all about making mass gains and keeping bodyfat in check (more on this later).
You will need to monitor your nutrition every month based upon strength gains and other measurements (photo's and body measurements - the most important being waistline).

Assuming you have already contacted Dante and he cannot take you on (for whatever reason), I suggest that you contact Skip for nutritional guidance - it will be well worth the investment

General
Eat 6-8 meals per day every few hours.
Try to stick to protein/carb and protein/fat meals; i.e. avoid mixing carbs/fats where possible, particularly if you have endo tendencies/struggle to keep bodyfat under control.
Eat as many 'real food' meals as possible - at least 50 per cent minimum.
Prepare your meals in advance - plan ahead and it will make it easier.
Buy your food in bulk to get discounts and use coupons.
We use a 'carb-cutoff' in DC - i.e. we do not take in any carbs after say 6 p.m. (depending on the individual).
Most meals after the carb-cutoff comprise of protein and salad/veggies.
An important exception to carb-cutoffs is the post workout shake and meal - you take that in no matter what time you workout.

Protein
Should be 1.5g~ x bodyweight for naturals and around 2g x bodyweight for enhanced trainee's.
Dante is very fond of beef - make that a staple of your diet and you'll find out why.
Good sources of protein = beef, eggs, egg whites, chicken, fish (tuna, salmon etc), turkey, whey, casein etc.
If you are going to use protein shakes as a meal, I suggest you use the 'TeamSkip' blend from trueprotein:
http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_D...cid=31&pid=534
This can be used with some fat (olive oil or almonds) or carbs (ground oats or waxy maize) to make a meal for on the run.
Stick to faster acting protein for post-workout shakes - this will be addressed later.

Carbs
Just how many depends on your amount of lean mass, activity levels, metabolism and 'carb sensitivity' - do you get fat just looking at rice?
If so, you will need to be very strict with carbs and limit them to breakfast, pre/post workout only.
If you are not carb sensitive and have a roaring metabolism (like many ecto's) or have high activity levels due to work commitments - you will not need to be nearly as strict.
This is where experience comes into play - you should already be advanced and know how your body reacts.
Good carb sources = oatmeal, rice, potatoes, yams, and waxy maize starch or dextrose/maltodextrin or even grape juice for post-workout, etc.

Fats
Olive oil is often used in DC for those who really struggle to put on weight - start slowly and work your way up, otherwise as Dante says you'll be strapping yourself to the toilet.
Not everyone should be using olive oil - only those who really struggle to put on weight.
Make sure you buy it in a dark container and keep it in cool place - otherwise it can go rancid.
Good fats = olive oil, fish oil, avocado, almonds etc.

If you are an endo:
1. Limit carbs to breakfast, pre & post workout.
2. Keep protein levels high (ie 1.5-2g x BW)
3. Stick to protein/fat or protein/carb meals, except after carb cutoff which should be protein + vegetables.
4. Protein sources - lean beef, chicken breast, tuna, turkey breast, egg whites.
5. Carb sources - white rice or white potatoes (only for post workout meal), basmati or brown rice, yams & oatmeal predominantly.
6. Fats - try to incorporate some fish oil or olive oil, but don't go overboard.
7. Cardio - BCAA's then 45 mins in the morning on off days.
8. Green Tea.
9. Stay well hydrated.
10. Focus on beating your log book.
11. If beat up, take a day off.
12. Keep a food diary > just as important as your log book.
13. Stick to the diet for at least 4 weeks & make adjustments from there.
14. If you hit a plateau:
> first reduce carbs a little for breakfast.
> second increase frequency of cardio to every morning except leg days, & increase duration of cardio to 60 minutes.
 
Thanks for the info mikea. I will go over it more thoroughly to make sure I get as much info as I can.
 
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