I'm not in that big of a rush. Orals are liver toxic, pain in the ass to take every couple hrs and pricey. I can pin 2-7 times a week no problem. I don't see a need for them because I don't compete. If I was trying to see how big I can get in a small amount of time, I would use short esters frequently and exclusively. That's just me. Good diet and some gear is good enuff...