I am on a cycle now test cyp. Dbol, I am familiar With diet and training. 500 and 40ED....I understand the general concept of dbol and what I will and can do as far as water retention and such. As now going on my 2nd week iz gained weight and got alot stronger but, after my 4 weeks is there really anything I can do to keep the size dbol gives me iv ran it b4 and seems like after I stop the dbol even while still pinning test so much size goes. I always continue to train hard and eat. Kinda makes me have mixed feelings about it.
Dbol keeping size question...
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Megatron28
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You can't keep the extra glycogen it allows you to carry. That just goes away when you take away the AAS.
Are you using an AI. You are using two aromatizable compounds. If not, a lot of size you are referencing is water due to elevated estrogen.
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Are you using an AI. You are using two aromatizable compounds. If not, a lot of size you are referencing is water due to elevated estrogen.
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FL3X MAGNUM
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I usually lose some weight after dbol from water retention but I generally keep the strength and add more strength due to the other compounds.
You really cant keep anything from any compound, you can attempt to achieve SOME muscle preservation , but this is something that takes lots of work, coaches that know what their dieting, a coach that has diet and training dialed in for his clients, or for someone that has no coach they really have to apply themselves with dedication, with a vast amount if understanding, but you wont keep much, Im not talking about dbol, just 99% of aas period)..takes years of training, dieting and commitment like none other..At the end genetics take over..
When I have time I can brake this down to the science if you wish, and like mega said, if you dont have these dialed in, it will come and go, if you have your diet in check, protein and car ratio where it should be, you can keep something, but nothing worth writing home about.. The more quality you have your macro's at, and training on points, your at least giving yourself something to work with...
there's a reason increased nitrogen,protein synthesis, glycogen, improved CNS and neuropathways, AR expression, satellite cell, and other mechanisms and such yields dramatic results in most users..take that way, and sustainability becomes your biggest challenge.. AAS will always be considered a treatment
When I have time I can brake this down to the science if you wish, and like mega said, if you dont have these dialed in, it will come and go, if you have your diet in check, protein and car ratio where it should be, you can keep something, but nothing worth writing home about.. The more quality you have your macro's at, and training on points, your at least giving yourself something to work with...
there's a reason increased nitrogen,protein synthesis, glycogen, improved CNS and neuropathways, AR expression, satellite cell, and other mechanisms and such yields dramatic results in most users..take that way, and sustainability becomes your biggest challenge.. AAS will always be considered a treatment
halfwit
I like turtles.
Going to take that as a "No Megatron28, I don't use an AI."
On the bright side, that pair of C cups you're likely going to sprout will stick with you post-cycle.
Please read the FAQ link in Tron's signature, so you can take steps to prevent estradiol from ruining your day.
Roush
I am banned!
Thats like using a rubber AFTER you get an STD, rather then using one before to prevent getting it in the first place
halfwit
I like turtles.
This is an honest to God thank you for being man enough to take constructive criticism. A HUGE portion of that mass is water, which is the least of your worries. Adex is definitely needed, especially with diana-estradiol-bomb-bol.
Please stick around, you'll be on top of all this in no time.
Teutonic
New member
OP,
I echoe all the advice and criticism and give you respect for being mature enuff to say...
OK, Got it and thank you.
Repped.
I always s pissed away what I gained when I did dbol but bear in mind in the 80 s 80-90 percent of us were just pinning and popping whatever whenever we could our hands on..my first 2 cycles were d bol only. Imagine my dismay when at 20 I got e d from e2 being off the chart ? My weight went up and down like Oprah s ( Orca s ) weight cept it was water not fried chicken, chitlen's and choco s.
I echoe all the advice and criticism and give you respect for being mature enuff to say...
OK, Got it and thank you.
Repped.
I always s pissed away what I gained when I did dbol but bear in mind in the 80 s 80-90 percent of us were just pinning and popping whatever whenever we could our hands on..my first 2 cycles were d bol only. Imagine my dismay when at 20 I got e d from e2 being off the chart ? My weight went up and down like Oprah s ( Orca s ) weight cept it was water not fried chicken, chitlen's and choco s.
Dreaded Pirate Roberts
Administrator
Adding an ai will limit the water retention and allow you to keep more of what you gain.
halfwit
I like turtles.
Do you mean cycles from this century, or the 80's-90's? I was too scared in the 90's, but the cycles were much like they are today, just the AI use and PCT stuff wasn't really there. I knew lots of guys that ran deca only or dbol only, and lost a ton of what they worked hard for, gyno was zinc and a prayer. The guys I knew that kept the most just ran test.
If you're referring to today's cycles, I've run just about everything there is but cheque drops and EQ.
halfwit
I like turtles.
Dosing was lower then, but as many would just go to their doctor - it was about getting what he'd prescribe. (AAS was legal then)
Zinc helps flush excess estradiol out of the body. The problem is that it doesn't do anything for circulating estradiol or the creation of it. It also can really mess with other minerals in the body, like copper. I don't remember the exact doses, but they were pretty nutty as folks often tend to think more is better.
An AI is better in every possible way. 
mightysatchmo
New member
I cant run dbol without an AI, they are estrogen bombs. Get ahold of them asap
Interesting I diddnt know that...you mentioned the guys that just ran test kept most that you know of..would you have any idea what the where running weekly and the duration. Iz did a 500 for 12 weeks for my first cycle few years ago. Training and diet was on key grew and lost min.
halfwit
I like turtles.
As you stated, diet and training are number one. You'll grow on just about any cycle with those in check. Most ran 400-800mg/wk of test. Length varied, but 12 weeks has been the norm for as long as I can remember. Teutonic or some of my seniors probably remember far more as I was a teen during this time.
Teutonic
New member
We did everything wrong back then except for eat so much at Buffets ( we d be asked to leave) as to insure caloric needs were met. AASA thrive in a calorie rich environment..more is better w respect to food and gear. Running a " lean bulk" basically mean s eat lot s but little to no garbage like fast food etc.
In the end it does not even matter what I did...you ll have to sift through the ream s of knowledge posted here and other places, and find what work s for u best. I m not blowing u off but the whole thing is up to you
Food ,training ,food, rest , food, re cup. Until you set a goal, a big one and then set little goal s to achieve the big one u need to do what s needed when and then how and how much ..food training aas rest recupe...this is academic.
In the end it does not even matter what I did...you ll have to sift through the ream s of knowledge posted here and other places, and find what work s for u best. I m not blowing u off but the whole thing is up to you
Food ,training ,food, rest , food, re cup. Until you set a goal, a big one and then set little goal s to achieve the big one u need to do what s needed when and then how and how much ..food training aas rest recupe...this is academic.
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