Dead libido bro's in trouble new girl friend

[halfwit]

You're correct vision, there probably won't be a clear cut answer to this, but if the goal is recovery, SERM use is the logical choice to return to allostasis. As SERMs by nature of forcing a release of gnrh stimulation increase LH dramatically - proviron (I actually was referring to your first study) seems to me to be counterproductive.

DHT derivatives are wonderful for freeing bound testosterone, which of course is the mechanism that drastically increases libido. If testosterone itself is already low due to previous suppression, there likely won't be enough bio-available testosterone to free for the desired effects. This is why cialis is a superior choice in my opinion, as it allows the OP to continue with restoring his HPTA, and hopefully still have the ability to maintain an erection for his girlfriend.

I won't flat out say you're wrong in this case vision, just that I think SERM use with the aid of a PDE5 inhibitor like cialis would be a superior choice for this particular situation.

I do want to say that I am happy that you DO have the courtesy to back up your posts with peer-reviewed studies; this makes any debate not only educational for all, but also gives better context and more tangible meaning. For that I truly salute your participation and contributions.

 

[SJC]

I've seen Vision on other forums and always seemed to know what he was talking about in one way or another. I knew he could provide some insight into what he was mentioning and to why he stated it to begin with.

 

[.Vision.]

You're correct vision, there probably won't be a clear cut answer to this, but if the goal is recovery, SERM use is the logical choice to return to allostasis. As SERMs by nature of forcing a release of gnrh stimulation increase LH dramatically - proviron (I actually was referring to your first study) seems to me to be counterproductive.

DHT derivatives are wonderful for freeing bound testosterone, which of course is the mechanism that drastically increases libido. If testosterone itself is already low due to previous suppression, there likely won't be enough bio-available testosterone to free for the desired effects. This is why cialis is a superior choice in my opinion, as it allows the OP to continue with restoring his HPTA, and hopefully still have the ability to maintain an erection for his girlfriend.

I won't flat out say you're wrong in this case vision, just that I think SERM use with the aid of a PDE5 inhibitor like cialis would be a superior choice for this particular situation.

I do want to say that I am happy that you DO have the courtesy to back up your posts with peer-reviewed studies; this makes any debate not only educational for all, but also gives better context and more tangible meaning. For that I truly salute your participation and contributions.

First and foremost, thank you for the kind words (tips hat). I've always held a great level of respect for your approach to this lifestyle,especially your noble attempts to mentor those in need..I recognize that there's a unwritten rule, as we are obligated by a divine code among us members on these forums to assist where we can, and to support anything that we suggest or advocate...For that I "salute" you for providing clarity in your articulations and joint efforts to better assist the members and the community!

With respect to " SERM use with the aid of a PDE5 inhibitor like cialis would be a superior choice for this particular situation ", I second that approach..

I may get slammed, but I'm a huge advocate for tamox, it's a staple item of mine..It truly has a pivotal role in this lifestyle!

Increased sperm count in 25 cases of idiopathic normogonadotropic oligospermia following treatment with tamoxifen

Twenty-five subfertile men, all presenting with idiopathic normogonadotropic oligospermia, were treated with tamoxifen (20 mg/day) for 4 to 12 months. Semen analysis was performed twice before treatment and at least twice after 3 to 12 months of treatment. In 14 patients, serum luteinizing hormone (LH), serum follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), and plasma testosterone (T) were assayed before treatment, then again after 2 weeks and 12 weeks of treatment. Semen volume, sperm motility, and sperm morphologic characteristics were not modified by tamoxifen. Conversely, a twofold increase of both the mean sperm concentration and the mean total sperm count per ejaculate was observed during treatment (P less than 0.001). Mean values of T, LH, and FSH increased during treatment, but the difference was only significant for T (P less than 0.001) and FSH (P less than 0.05). Ten pregnancies (40% of cases) were reported during the 161 months of treatment.

This is just an a small example why I feel strong about it, as there is many more articles published that can provide greater detail, but this is a simple thesis to support yours!

 

[juced_porkchop]

OP, lookinto and get peptide ipt-141 for libido and CIA for erection . course get blood work also. its a good combo.

 

[halfwit]

First and foremost, thank you for the kind words (tips hat). I've always held a great level of respect for your approach to this lifestyle,especially your noble attempts to mentor those in need..I recognize that there's a unwritten rule, as we are obligated by a divine code among us members on these forums to assist where we can, and to support anything that we suggest or advocate...For that I "salute" you for providing clarity in your articulations and joint efforts to better assist the members and the community!

With respect to " SERM use with the aid of a PDE5 inhibitor like cialis would be a superior choice for this particular situation ", I second that approach..

I may get slammed, but I'm a huge advocate for tamox, it's a staple item of mine..It truly has a pivotal role in this lifestyle!

Increased sperm count in 25 cases of idiopathic normogonadotropic oligospermia following treatment with tamoxifen

Twenty-five subfertile men, all presenting with idiopathic normogonadotropic oligospermia, were treated with tamoxifen (20 mg/day) for 4 to 12 months. Semen analysis was performed twice before treatment and at least twice after 3 to 12 months of treatment. In 14 patients, serum luteinizing hormone (LH), serum follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), and plasma testosterone (T) were assayed before treatment, then again after 2 weeks and 12 weeks of treatment. Semen volume, sperm motility, and sperm morphologic characteristics were not modified by tamoxifen. Conversely, a twofold increase of both the mean sperm concentration and the mean total sperm count per ejaculate was observed during treatment (P less than 0.001). Mean values of T, LH, and FSH increased during treatment, but the difference was only significant for T (P less than 0.001) and FSH (P less than 0.05). Ten pregnancies (40% of cases) were reported during the 161 months of treatment.

This is just an a small example why I feel strong about it, as there is many more articles published that can provide greater detail, but this is a simple thesis to support yours!

Yep, it's hard to argue with tamoxifen being quite effective at its job. It's funny that you mention the "unwritten code" that many of us do seem to follow, as I really seldom see it on other boards. It's pretty much why I continue here as health should always be priority number one, followed by progress. This is a quality I find in many of the terrific posters we have here, and makes it soooo much easier to help folks out.

We don't always agree, but I do think that regardless of the topic, something new can always be learned - which makes it all worth it to me.

 

[PRODIJ]

So I tried the 25mg privron, 40mg nolva, couple tribulus pills, DHEA pill, one night before bed. And next day still not much desire to use my dick. But watched porn, some manual stimulation and it was good as new, decent hard on, could masturbate.. I can say I did felt some small libido increase.

Still i don't want to be dependant on proviron or anything. So at the moment I am on 20mg nolva every night. Already been 1 week on 40mgs nolva. Debating if introducing again 50mgs clomid. But at the moment with just the 20mgs on nolva libido is dead AF.

(graphic content)
can't get a good hard on watching porn or anything. But still enough to masturbate (but I do need to be watching porn).. I feel so fucked. Before I could get wood watching a dirty bathroom tile or even thinking in an ugly disgusting fat hoe..(all this was pre steroid use) now its so hard.
None the less this morning I was dreaming of smashing some local fashion news tv girl, and awoke to a medium hard on.

I managed to get an appointment with an endocrinologist tomorrow. Still with provi and everything suspended but the nolva too see how the labs he is going to send me, come back.

I did get cialis in the meantime (my new gf is horny always, and it would suck she goes find it somewhere else because I can't satisfy her, fuck my life!!!!).. And I am here just hoping my dick gets back to normal as it was once, be naturally or with exoge test or whatever the appropriate route might be

I really wish I had never touched AAS

 

[SoHo]

you ever get a full blood panel to see what the problem? your main focus should be testosterone, estradiol, FSH, LH, and prolactin.

PCT causes your hormones to go crazy and from my experience it can sometimes lead to a spike in estradiol. also, using tren and deca together can cause LOTS of prolactin buildup so maybe you still have some high prolactin left over. get some caber, take .5mg twice a week for a week or two. i am so certain this is one of the major causes because it's happened to me and friends of mine so many times after discontinuing tren and/or deca.

but the most important thing you need to do right now is GET BLOODS!!! a FULL HORMONE PANEL

 

[PRODIJ]

you ever get a full blood panel to see what the problem? your main focus should be testosterone, estradiol, FSH, LH, and prolactin.

PCT causes your hormones to go crazy and from my experience it can sometimes lead to a spike in estradiol. also, using tren and deca together can cause LOTS of prolactin buildup so maybe you still have some high prolactin left over. get some caber, take .5mg twice a week for a week or two. i am so certain this is one of the major causes because it's happened to me and friends of mine so many times after discontinuing tren and/or deca.

but the most important thing you need to do right now is GET BLOODS!!! a FULL HORMONE PANEL

thanks bro. My main concern is to get the endo to send me all this panels to see where Im at. then from there see if caber is needed or not etc.

I do backup the caber route. I remember I took 0.5mg of caber and my dick worked nicely for like 2 weeks months ago, just recently finished that heavy stupid long cycle I did. Still as I mention Ill wait till see where I am standing right now and post results as soon as I got them

I am wondering if getting the blood panels done while using nolva and clomid will show me false results.


I can also remember melanotan II gave me raging boners. fuak you really miss it when it suddenly disappears

 

[PRODIJ]

Bros just received some lab tests. Prolactin/ blood panel/ LH / FSH / glucose

still waiting on total test, and haven't done free test, estradiol and don't know what more/ endo bitched a lot and didn't send me those that left

according to the reference values of my FSH it is way overboard. I don't know if that is a bad reading/value for LH
I am also on 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva daily

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edit: LH is the one overboard, mixed words up

my dick is dead AF

 

[Megatron28]

Bros just received some lab tests. Prolactin/ blood panel/ LH / FSH / glucose

still waiting on total test, and haven't done free test, estradiol and don't know what more

according to the reference values of my FSH it is way overboard. I don't know if i=that is a bad reading for LH
I am also on 50mgs clomid and 20mgs nolva daily

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You LH and FSH are supposed to be high while on clomid. That is the whole point of taking it.

Donate some blood to lower you hematocrit.

 

[PRODIJ]

You LH and FSH are supposed to be high while on clomid. That is the whole point of taking it.

Donate some blood to lower you hematocrit.

thanks. but LH is at 27.42mU/ml and reference values go from 1.7 - 8.6 mU/ml

doesn't this affect negatively? truly don't know

also anyone care to comment if my FSH is at a good value?

 

[Megatron28]

thanks. but LH is at 27.42mU/ml and reference values go from 1.7 - 8.6 mU/ml

doesn't this affect negatively? truly don't know

also anyone care to comment if my FSH is at a good value?

You are taking clomid and nolva. They are doing specifically what you want them to do by raising your LH and FSH. This is restarting your HPTA.

If you are uncomfortable with this you can stop but it may take a very long time for you HPTA to recover on its own - if ever. Your chances of having to go on TRT for the rest of your life would be greater.

 

[PRODIJ]

update.. apart from the labs above mentioned. I definitely been feeling hornier, but can't get it up. Desire is slowly there but the little buddy doesn't wanna help.

 

[PRODIJ]

Hello bros. so.. for the sake of curiosity I asked a local IFBB pro if he knew if I could do anything or how can he help me.

and he send me this post cycle

PCT

hcg: 6000 ui monday and saturday / week 1

monday 3000ui, friday 3000ui and sunday 3000ui /week 2

monday, wednesday, friday and sunday 2000ui /week3 and 4

proviron. 1 daily morning

clomid 3 pills first 3 days/ 2 pills 3 days/ 1 pill until complete 4 weeks

He also said to use TEST

sustanon 250
propionate 100

1cm of each on friday

and 1mg arimidex each night

-------

test on a postcycle????? wtf..

none the less I have talked to a guy who swears by this post cycle.

will I continue fucking everything up if I try this post cycle?

 

[PRODIJ]

I have really really good news

my natural test is high as fuk, just received the lab.


965.90 ng/dl reference is from 280-800 ng/dl {although I had been 1 week on clomid y nolva when I did this test}

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fuark but still libido dead as ****. Only been 1 week and a halve on clomid & taxus

 

[Megatron28]

Hello bros. so.. for the sake of curiosity I asked a local IFBB pro if he knew if I could do anything or how can he help me.

and he send me this post cycle

PCT

hcg: 6000 ui monday and saturday / week 1

monday 3000ui, friday 3000ui and sunday 3000ui /week 2

monday, wednesday, friday and sunday 2000ui /week3 and 4

proviron. 1 daily morning

clomid 3 pills first 3 days/ 2 pills 3 days/ 1 pill until complete 4 weeks

He also said to use TEST

sustanon 250
propionate 100

1cm of each on friday

and 1mg arimidex each night

-------

test on a postcycle????? wtf..

none the less I have talked to a guy who swears by this post cycle.

will I continue fucking everything up if I try this post cycle?

Your buddy is an idiot. Why would you even post his recommendations?

 

[PRODIJ]

Your buddy is an idiot. Why would you even post his recommendations?

lol I know its that he swears by med publications and I sort of doubt it but not for long.

 

[PRODIJ]

anyone care to comment what could follow? fukkk

 

[PrinceDianabol]

anyone care to comment what could follow? fukkk

What are you talking about? Mega already gave you an answer. That's not even a PCT, its a cycle including PCT meds that won't do a damn thing since your still on cycle lol....

 

[PRODIJ]

What are you talking about? Mega already gave you an answer. That's not even a PCT, its a cycle including PCT meds that won't do a damn thing since your still on cycle lol....

did you even care to read previous post before?

I am referring to what would you do if you were in my skin If apparently the few labs I have are in range. Just asking some of you with the knowledge and experience to share it with me. like what others thing I could try.. maybe someone has passed through this already

I am not talking about that pct. its obvious Im not doing it since labs seem ok and it does seems like shit and very bad advice..