Tarbosh
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Im going to be doing a dbol only cycle just to see if my shit is real. I think dbol only cycles get a bad rep because most of the stuff on the black market is not actual dianabol, instead its methyl testosterone labeled as dbol. The drug counterfeiters do this to make more money because methyl testosterone is cheaper than dianabol and the user feels the effect of the methyl test and buys more creating repeat customers. There is a great deal of evidence pointing to this.
The first reason is dianabol was developed by Dr. Ziegler as a answer to the Soviet Union injecting their athletes with testosterone propionate. This made the Russians super strong but the androgenic effects of the testosterone were so bad that their prostates would swell up and they needed to stick a tube or catheter way up the pipe in their penises through the prostate in to the bladder just so they could piss. this is where androgenic/anabolic ratios came from. When scientists developed new steroids they would inject a group of hundreds of rats with testosterone wich is 100 andorgenic and 100 anabolic and inject another group of rats with the new steroid they were testing like dianabol which is 40-60 androgenic and 90-210 anabolic. they would then cut open the rats after the course of steroids was completed and weight their prostates in comparison to there sphincter anus muscles. The more the sphincter weighed in comparison to the prostate the better results you would get in relation to side effects from that substance. If you are getting inferior quality water mass gains with more side effects from what you think is real dbol compared to injectable testosterone like nothing but water weight balding acne getting up to piss every three seconds at night because of your enlarged prostate then your dbols are junk methyl testosterone. Methyl test is 94-130 androgenic and 115-150 anabolic, thats a shity ratio compared to real dbol and a worse androgenic rating than injectable test because of its methyl alteration.
The other reason is in the early days of steroids there was a debate about whether or not testosterone really built muscle they tried and tried with different doses but had limited success proving it on a consistent basis. Then dianabol came along and it just plain worked with less side effects and better results. How much dbol did they have to take to do this? Dr. Ziegler said take no more than 15 mg a a day and yes that was for enhancement purposes for the USA olympic weight lifting team.The Anabolics 2006 book the says the minimum recommended dosage for enhancement purposes of methyl test is 40 -50 mg a day(minimum). What do all the ''bros" on the boards who supposedly know their shit recommend to see results from dbol? 40 -50mg a day just what you need of crappy methyl test not the 15mg a day recommended by Dr. Ziegler.
More evidence of most black market dbol being methyl testosterone comes from the the PBS documentary Secrets of the Dead Doping for Gold. I cant post links but you can Google it and watch the whole thing. In the 70's and 80's testosterone was not detectable on a drug test. Exactly 30 min into the documentary It is explained how during their training athletes would use (methandienone = dbol) and Stanozolol then switch to testosterone to preserve their gains and pass the drug test. Male and female athletes did this, male weight lifters typically took dbol (methandienone) for the Olympics in the 70's / 80's. Why would they take something that produces crappy water weight gains that you piss out with harsh side effects when the typical knowledge on the steroid boards says they could have used injectable testosterone and make better quality gains you don't lose right away and since its testosterone never have to worry about a 70's or 80's drug test? the reason is real dbol produces better quality gains with less side effects than Testosterone.
I have seen threads on other board of how people have gotten very good results off dbol only with little water retention but again I cant post links. I know Im going to get flamed about the orals only thing by people in denial about how most of the stuff they are taking is fake but ask yourself why would a scummy drug dealer sell you the real deal when they can make more cash selling you something else?
The first reason is dianabol was developed by Dr. Ziegler as a answer to the Soviet Union injecting their athletes with testosterone propionate. This made the Russians super strong but the androgenic effects of the testosterone were so bad that their prostates would swell up and they needed to stick a tube or catheter way up the pipe in their penises through the prostate in to the bladder just so they could piss. this is where androgenic/anabolic ratios came from. When scientists developed new steroids they would inject a group of hundreds of rats with testosterone wich is 100 andorgenic and 100 anabolic and inject another group of rats with the new steroid they were testing like dianabol which is 40-60 androgenic and 90-210 anabolic. they would then cut open the rats after the course of steroids was completed and weight their prostates in comparison to there sphincter anus muscles. The more the sphincter weighed in comparison to the prostate the better results you would get in relation to side effects from that substance. If you are getting inferior quality water mass gains with more side effects from what you think is real dbol compared to injectable testosterone like nothing but water weight balding acne getting up to piss every three seconds at night because of your enlarged prostate then your dbols are junk methyl testosterone. Methyl test is 94-130 androgenic and 115-150 anabolic, thats a shity ratio compared to real dbol and a worse androgenic rating than injectable test because of its methyl alteration.
The other reason is in the early days of steroids there was a debate about whether or not testosterone really built muscle they tried and tried with different doses but had limited success proving it on a consistent basis. Then dianabol came along and it just plain worked with less side effects and better results. How much dbol did they have to take to do this? Dr. Ziegler said take no more than 15 mg a a day and yes that was for enhancement purposes for the USA olympic weight lifting team.The Anabolics 2006 book the says the minimum recommended dosage for enhancement purposes of methyl test is 40 -50 mg a day(minimum). What do all the ''bros" on the boards who supposedly know their shit recommend to see results from dbol? 40 -50mg a day just what you need of crappy methyl test not the 15mg a day recommended by Dr. Ziegler.
More evidence of most black market dbol being methyl testosterone comes from the the PBS documentary Secrets of the Dead Doping for Gold. I cant post links but you can Google it and watch the whole thing. In the 70's and 80's testosterone was not detectable on a drug test. Exactly 30 min into the documentary It is explained how during their training athletes would use (methandienone = dbol) and Stanozolol then switch to testosterone to preserve their gains and pass the drug test. Male and female athletes did this, male weight lifters typically took dbol (methandienone) for the Olympics in the 70's / 80's. Why would they take something that produces crappy water weight gains that you piss out with harsh side effects when the typical knowledge on the steroid boards says they could have used injectable testosterone and make better quality gains you don't lose right away and since its testosterone never have to worry about a 70's or 80's drug test? the reason is real dbol produces better quality gains with less side effects than Testosterone.
I have seen threads on other board of how people have gotten very good results off dbol only with little water retention but again I cant post links. I know Im going to get flamed about the orals only thing by people in denial about how most of the stuff they are taking is fake but ask yourself why would a scummy drug dealer sell you the real deal when they can make more cash selling you something else?
