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StoneColdNTO
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Too Young and unless you're 4'6" you're too small
Please read this...
What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com the link is Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation
Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.
Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:
1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.
2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.
3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.
4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.
The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.
For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:
Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later
Please read this...
What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com the link is Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation
Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.
Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:
1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.
2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.
3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.
4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.
The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.
For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:
Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later
Genetic Lifestyle
New member
Oh my god...ti gab, where do we start. First off everyone including myself will tell you that your too young. Secondly your too small and have not even come close to your genetic potential naturally! What do you eat in the run of a day...lay it out for us please. What is your training routine look like? Post that stuff, we can help you! But I'm pretty sure that most guys will not help you plan a cycle just yet, including myself.
So post the diet and training!
Stonecold you beat me to the punch...much more informative too...lol
We must have been giving advice at the same time.
Anyways....LISTEN TO STONECOLD!
So post the diet and training!
Stonecold you beat me to the punch...much more informative too...lol
We must have been giving advice at the same time.
Anyways....LISTEN TO STONECOLD!
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mrfreeze982
Insane or the Same
You best supplement is FOOD!!!! eat all you can for right now, and eat high protein foods not just 4 shakes a day.
zephyrdaz
Grumpy old Git
but all my friend take windstrol , anavar , deca ,dianabol , and they're all bigger and stronger than me , but i know that i need to wait sometime , to take the maximum of my natural shape before taking AS . but its frustating!!!
And all your friends who are doing gear at such a young age are stopping themslves from reaching their full growth potential and putting themselves at risk of problems as they get older.
Do it naturally, you don't need gear at the moment. Ask in the diet section on here for some help, or post your diet on here and we'll try and help you out with that, same as your training, post something and we'll help you if you say what your doing at the moment.
It may be frustrating for you, but be smart !! don't be stupid and just do what all your friends are doing !!
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but all my friend take windstrol , anavar , deca ,dianabol , and they're all bigger and stronger than me , but i know that i need to wait sometime , to take the maximum of my natural shape before taking AS . but its frustating
Give your friends a bit of time to get on in life - then ask them how they're going. Do they do PCT, etc? Trust what these guys are saying above .. some very experienced people have just answered you. It kills me to hear this stuff ... I really hope you take the advise given.
Genetic Lifestyle
New member
Post what you eat! What does your training routine look like?
The seniors on this board are tops in the world of AS knowledge. You are way to young and to small to start now, give it time and eat eat eat. In a few years if you still wanna start AS you will surpass your friends because they have stopped there natural growth and are now relient on the AS for growth. Achieve your natural potential and I promise you will be happier in the end. Your friends really have no knowledge of the steroid world with the compounds you are telling us they use. Your first cycle should consist of TEST @ 250-500mgs/wk. All of the other compounds you mentioned are for the more experianced users who are trying to achieve different goals. Stick it out, its sucks watching the friends around you exceed your limits that you are making buttry not to let it get to you. Good Luck bro and keep up the hard work and rresearch.
I'M starting a new training from one of my friend ( he already take AS in the past , and have the best bodybuilder in canda for friend so , might be good )
first day
bench - 15,10,8,6,4 (break 120sec)
incline bench drop w/ incline fly 4*(12/10) (break 90 sec )
pec deck dropset - 12,10,8,8/10 (break 60sec)
flat D.b fly - 12,10,8 (break 60 sec)
tricep
seated overhead d.b 12,10,8,6 (break 90 sec)
lying supine close grip drop w/ kickback 90 degre 3* (12/10) (break 90 sec )
supination one arm push down - 12,10,10 (break 60 sec)
tricep extension on pulley - 12,10,8 (break 60 sec )
abs
incline leg sit-up - 4*max (break 60 sec )
d.b side bend - 4*20 (break 60 sec )
day 2
back
front latt pull-down w/ triangle - 12,10,8,6 (break 90 sec )
rowing pronation dropset - 12,10,8,6/12 (break 90 sec )
t-bar rowing machine - 12,10,10,8 (break 90 sec )
one arm d.b rowing - 12,10,8,8 (break 90 sec)
bicep
seated alternated d.b curl - 12,10,8,6 (break 90sec )
hammer curl dropset - 12,10,8 / 12 (break 60 sec )
standing bar curl - 12,10,8,8 (break 60 sec)
calf
seated leg press 4*20 (break 60 sec )
standing calf smith machine 4*20 (break 60 sec )
day 3
leg
squat - 15,12,6,6,6 (break 120 sec )
smith machine lunges one leg - 12,10,10,8 (break 90 sec )
leg press one leg - 12,12,10,8 (break 90 sec )
leg extension - 12,10,8,8 (break 90 sec )
shoulder
seated shoulder d.b press dropset - 12,10,8,8 / 12 (break 90 sec )
side lateral raise - 12,10,8,6 (break 90 sec )
pec deck reverse dropset - 12,10,8,8 /10 (break 90 sec )
pulley bent over d.b. raise (one arm ) - 12,12,12
D.b shrugs 4*15 (break 60sec )
abs
dis stand leg raise and extension - 4*20 (break 45 sec )
ball reverse leg pull-in - 4*12 (break 45 sec )
day 4
-Break
day 5
- do one of the 3 days (alternated everyweek)
day 6 and 7
-break
training for 4 to 6 weeks
P.s : sorry for my english , i'M a canadian french :S .
)first day
bench - 15,10,8,6,4 (break 120sec)
incline bench drop w/ incline fly 4*(12/10) (break 90 sec )
pec deck dropset - 12,10,8,8/10 (break 60sec)
flat D.b fly - 12,10,8 (break 60 sec)
tricep
seated overhead d.b 12,10,8,6 (break 90 sec)
lying supine close grip drop w/ kickback 90 degre 3* (12/10) (break 90 sec )
supination one arm push down - 12,10,10 (break 60 sec)
tricep extension on pulley - 12,10,8 (break 60 sec )
abs
incline leg sit-up - 4*max (break 60 sec )
d.b side bend - 4*20 (break 60 sec )
day 2
back
front latt pull-down w/ triangle - 12,10,8,6 (break 90 sec )
rowing pronation dropset - 12,10,8,6/12 (break 90 sec )
t-bar rowing machine - 12,10,10,8 (break 90 sec )
one arm d.b rowing - 12,10,8,8 (break 90 sec)
bicep
seated alternated d.b curl - 12,10,8,6 (break 90sec )
hammer curl dropset - 12,10,8 / 12 (break 60 sec )
standing bar curl - 12,10,8,8 (break 60 sec)
calf
seated leg press 4*20 (break 60 sec )
standing calf smith machine 4*20 (break 60 sec )
day 3
leg
squat - 15,12,6,6,6 (break 120 sec )
smith machine lunges one leg - 12,10,10,8 (break 90 sec )
leg press one leg - 12,12,10,8 (break 90 sec )
leg extension - 12,10,8,8 (break 90 sec )
shoulder
seated shoulder d.b press dropset - 12,10,8,8 / 12 (break 90 sec )
side lateral raise - 12,10,8,6 (break 90 sec )
pec deck reverse dropset - 12,10,8,8 /10 (break 90 sec )
pulley bent over d.b. raise (one arm ) - 12,12,12
D.b shrugs 4*15 (break 60sec )
abs
dis stand leg raise and extension - 4*20 (break 45 sec )
ball reverse leg pull-in - 4*12 (break 45 sec )
day 4
-Break
day 5
- do one of the 3 days (alternated everyweek)
day 6 and 7
-break
training for 4 to 6 weeks
P.s : sorry for my english , i'M a canadian french :S .
zephyrdaz
Grumpy old Git
Ok, you need to eat a lot more. I know you think you can't but you can, you just need to change the way you eat and the times. It'll be hard at first but it'll get easier.
This what I eat at the moment:
I cook the pasta (300g) and chicken (about 300g), mixed with tomatos the night before and put in containers ready for the next day.
When you wake, have a protein shake and for breakfast oatmeal and a couple of eggs.
I then have about three meals spread through out the day from what I made the night before, also fruit and whatever else is close by and not moving and a protein shake about midday.
Pre workout protein shake and carbs and as soon as you finish your workout Post workout protein shake and carbs. Then try and have a good meal about an hour after you've finished training, I normally have chicken and plenty of veg.
Before bed Mixed nuts and protein shake.
Has anybody else got any diet suggestions for the lad?
but its like 6 shake of protein per day ... with 60$ for 1 month of protein with my food , i had not enough money bro ,
but i can take one shake w/breakfast , continue my eating day , a shake in midday , and my fourth meal 1h30 after my training ?
in supplemnt this month a wanna take : n.o shotgun , creatine ethyl ester , zma ,... continue my protein ??? thats ok ???
but i can take one shake w/breakfast , continue my eating day , a shake in midday , and my fourth meal 1h30 after my training ?
in supplemnt this month a wanna take : n.o shotgun , creatine ethyl ester , zma ,... continue my protein ??? thats ok ???
