DNP log (starting tomorrow, last minute advice?)

[tury694]

so you guys are telling a 6'1 280lb guy to use dnp??? you cant be serious??

at 6'1 what do you think his bodyfat is at??

unless he is putting phil to shame with his body do you think he is ready for such a dangerous drug???


do you think his diet was proper?? how did he get to 280lbs??


heres my advice to the OP... DNP is a very dangerous drug...

youre looking for the quick way out when diet and exercise will do the same thing without the risk..

stay away from it.. ive seen people die from dnp poisoning.. dont mess with it..

I think the danger is exaggerated but it is a dangerous drug in the hands of an inexperienced user who is not being watched by a good coach. I am sure that the people who have died using it were taking over 250mg. I don't understand why OP has come to the conclusion that this is his best option for fat loss. He is holding on to plenty of fat and it will go away quickly with just diet and training. If he wants to use drugs then there are several compounds that are less risky than DNP. I'm very confused as to why people are almost encouraging this.

When guys who are over 15% come here saying they want to run a test only cycle they get flamed because they are not experienced and dedicated enough for AAS, but a guy who is 280lbs at 6'1" and over 20% is not steered away from using a drug meant only for advanced bodybuilders. OP seems to be dead set on this, but I believe that it is a terrible idea at this stage in his bodybuilding or lifting career.

 

[Havasu]

To the OP you have to ask yourself something. Why are you losing weight? Why are you trying to get in shape? Is it purely cosmetic, or was part of it you really wanted to be healthier? If the answer is health, or even a combination of both answers you are losing your way. I think it's really easy when you read about all these powerful compounds that can have all of these great effects, and the response is like, "WOW. I could drop 60 pounds in like a month, then I can get on some AAS and start cycling! Pretty soon I'll be like the HULK!.....

If in that process you hurt your body/health so bad that it causes an issue for the rest of your life will it have been worth it? The answer to me is no. So, please re-think what you are doing. 3J's response is pretty appropriate.

Think of this as a car race in fast and the furious. Right now you're trying to hit the NOS too early. Also, NOS gives great speed. However, if you use too much too long you blow up the engine. When it comes to the time when you really could use it you won't have it. (The analogy only partly works, because you can by more). Point being that you could continue manipulating your diet as weight drops and continue to lose weight with hard work, and time. Then when you get to the point where you have dropped so much weight, and you are healthier than you are now if you want to contemplate an extremely dangerous compound, then think about that then. Especially after you've proven that you are committed to a healthier lifestyle FOREVER. Not for 6 months. Prove that you can maintain steady in the gym for YEARS, not months.

I think you'll find if you take that path, that by the time you get to the point that you may want to think about DNP that you'll find you can use compounds like Clenbuterol, etc., that are far less dangerous and you'll get right where you want to be.

I'm not expert. All I know about DNP I've read, but from everyone that I've read here that has experience with it, or more knowledge of DNP than I, all say it is very dangerous, and really do not recommend it. Risk/Reward doesn't seem worth the risk to me. There are other ways.

 

[halfwit]

I still think you're going to be woefully disappointed OP. DNP does work, but if everything else isn't in order, your results will be lackluster and TEMPORARY.

I hate to contradict others, but I also doubt 250mg will do shit for someone your size. I am not comfortable listing my experimental dosages, but I will say that there is a VERY fine line between optimal dose and overdose when it comes to DNP.

I'd tell you to pull the plug, but I have a feeling no matter how many times you're told fire is hot - you're still going to stick your hands in there to confirm.

 

[Ghost124]

I guess I will play devils advocate. DNP is and ins't dangerous(yes you read that right).

DNP is only "extremely" dangerous because it's one of the only substances you can take and OD from where even doctors won't be able to save you

On the other hand, DNP IMO is is less dangerous than AAS any day of the week AS LONG AS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. DNP is IMPOSSIBLE to overdose if you stay under 600mg. IMPOSSIBLE. But overall the drug has no long term effects. Id does not shut down your HPTA, or increase your red blood cell count, or increase blood pressure....you know the stuff AAS causes? In other words DNP does no harm unless you overdose. It does not cause cancer, or make you go bald or any of that.

As far as the deaths: Actually research the people who have died on DNP. Most were fat European teenagers taking a diet drug and not knowing DNP was in it. And all the people had no clue what dose they were taking. Here, lets take a look at a couple:
Sarah Houston

For her part, Sarah had suffered from eating disorders from the age of 14, first anorexia and then bulimia. And while her parents had thought she was over the worst of it, she had, in fact, been taking DNP for the previous 18 months. Then, last September, the medical student took what turned out to be a fatal dose while away studying at Leeds University.

So you got a girl who is Anorexic and taking DNP for 18 months straight....hmmmm.....

Bodybuilder died 'after drinking weedkiller sold as fat burning drug' by gym boss

In the days before his death Mr Cleathero had bought tablets marked with a Precision Labs label but complained that he was not losing any weight.

Shortly before noon on October 16 he went to the gym to collect sachets of DNP contained in an envelope left behind the counter by Chivers, it is claimed.

CCTV footage from the gym showed him collecting the envelope and pouring a sachet into a cup of water.

Dude did not know what DNP was. He just took some and poured it into a cup. DNP is so potent that half a teaspoon can be 1200mg which will fry you

Young Woman Dies After DNP Diet Pills Bought Online ***8216;Burned Her From Within***8217;

A 21-year-old British woman died on April 12 after accidentally overdosing on diet pills she bought online that contained the toxic ingredient dinitrophenol (DNP). Eloise Aimee Parry took eight tablets that contained the drug, her mother, Fiona Parry, said in a statement that she posted online. (Two tablets was a lethal dose.)

I cannot find the story I read originally, but she got impatient and started taking more and more pills within the day



Overall the trend here is, these people did not have a clue what they were doing.


By the way, THIS right here is the most informative DNP post I have ever seen. I suggest everyone read every word of this if considering taking DNP:

http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_on...about_dnp_24dinitrophenol?id=2764838&pageNo=0

 

[49ER]

Take DNP but stay away from evil "Tren" it can fuck you up for life lol

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I'll add some thoughts to this thread...

Firstly OP, anyone who has commented in this thread with no experience and/or not bothered researching dnp through PROPER sources (not google) - their opinion should be worth less than zero to you.
I've seen way too many threads on different forums with people commenting on dnp without a damn clue what they're talking about.

Secondly, if people had actually bothered to read the OPs original thread that he linked - it would have been VERY clear that he has done a good amount of research and certainly isn't some random clueless newbie. The fact that he knows about the risk of peripheral neuropathy says ALOT to me.
He also stated that he has cut 35lbs naturally and simply wants to speed up the process - some good experience with dieting is already there.

I have always said that if someone proves that they have done the proper level of research I see no reason to actively discourage them. Sorry 3J, I know your looking out for the health & safety of members & I'm aware of your own experiences with dnp, but I'm a bit more democratic on the issue as you know...

To address your questions:

- I was the "expert" who said you don't need t3, I stand by that.

- DNP results will be better if your in a cal deficit, so yes of course its fine. In fact relying solely on DNP is a big mistake people make and then bitch about regaining all the weight.

- Keto will work equally as well, but I warn you that the carb cravings will be very strong if you take this approach.

- I don't think backing off heavy weights when dieting in general is a good idea. Keep the heavy training but simply cut back drastically on the volume.

As for other vits/supps...
- Adding some taurine is an option since there is evidence that its decreased in the eye lens and MAY contribute to the risk of cataracts.
- Drink plenty of water and have access to a body temperature thermometer - you don't what your temp to go above 99.1.

- If you get a rash then STOP the cycle, this is a clear sign of your body giving a big fuck you to the dnp. Stop the cycle, treat the rash with Benadryl, and then if you wish you can restart a few weeks later.

Halfwit is right in that 250mg for someone your size wont give you much (20% boost), but its still better than pretty much anything other fat loss aid out there.
You also need to have a plan for when you come off dnp - I personally like to eat at 5-10% below maintenance for a week before taking my official measurements for dnp.
You need to be wary of using the scale while on dnp, the water retention can mask a lot of the fat loss that is going on - do NOT think that just because the scale isn't moving you need to up the dose. Focus on your diet and let the dnp do its thing.

I'll add that the tnation article is full of flaws but don't want to hijact this thread with that so...just don't rely on it completely

 

[49ER]

Just the fact that you can die from it should be enough for someone to lie to someone and say dont do it even if you have experience even if your all for dnp. For all we know his source is a dumbass and may overdose it by accident, we dont truely know how healthy op is and if he can even handle the drug aka (poison). I rather him load up on tren add some muscle and lose fat slowly. Good luck overdosing on tren its never been done yet.

 

[Ghost124]

Just the fact that you can die from it should be enough for someone to lie to someone and say dont do it even if you have experience even if your all for dnp. For all we know his source is a dumbass and may overdose it by accident, we dont truely know how healthy op is and if he can even handle the drug aka (poison). I rather him load up on tren add some muscle and lose fat slowly. Good luck overdosing on tren its never been done yet.

On one hand you're right.

On the other if you know what you're doing, DNP cannot do nearly the damage a 19-nor steroid like Tren can

 

[tury694]

On one hand you're right.

On the other if you know what you're doing, DNP cannot do nearly the damage a 19-nor steroid like Tren can

While I already said that the danger from DNP is exaggerated and the smartest guy on ology confirmed that it is exaggerated there is no way to od on a 19-nor. You could inject 2 grams of tren ace in one day and if your health is in order you will not die. Take 10x the maximum useful dose of DNP and you will be in a coffin for sure. I get the point that you need to know what you are doing, but DNP is always more dangerous than tren or deca IMO

 

[49ER]

On one hand you're right.

On the other if you know what you're doing, DNP cannot do nearly the damage a 19-nor steroid like Tren can

Wow with all due respect your full of shit! Please explain what damage a 19nor can cause? I just posted my bloodwork after being on tren for over a year....

Do you think i read studies and know how to use tren? Lmao compare ingredients dnp can = ddeath
tren ace = muscle inly way it can kill you is if you run it forever with high bp

19nor compared to dnp lmfao! I said with all due respect right? Haha

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Let's not derail the OPs thread please.

First of all, DNP is clearly more dangerous than steroids by a million miles. No one is denying the danger, its simply over exaggerated.

When ghost says "damage" I think he is referring to the other sides of steroid use such as HPTA shutdown, potential heart LV hypertrophy, etc.

 

[Ghost124]

Wow with all due respect your full of shit! Please explain what damage a 19nor can cause? I just posted my bloodwork after being on tren for over a year....

Do you think i read studies and know how to use tren? Lmao compare ingredients dnp can = ddeath
tren ace = muscle inly way it can kill you is if you run it forever with high bp

19nor compared to dnp lmfao! I said with all due respect right? Haha

In bold...re-read your statement.....cmon man....

 

[Ghost124]

Let's not derail the OPs thread please.

First of all, DNP is clearly more dangerous than steroids by a million miles. No one is denying the danger, its simply over exaggerated.

When ghost says "damage" I think he is referring to the other sides of steroid use such as HPTA shutdown, potential heart LV hypertrophy, etc.

Thank you...

 

[49ER]

Thank you...

So supposedly "damage" and supposedly "death" wich is actually a fact and has happened i choose the damage wich i disagree with since tren is so toxic but yet my blood work says other wise. Dnp may not be able to kill you low dose but you know it can lead to death and has happened human error or not. That will never happen with a 19nor ever.

 

[49ER]

On one hand you're right.

On the other if you know what you're doing, ((DNP cannot do nearly the damage a 19-nor steroid like Tren can))

I dont know how to bold letters but cmon man! Lol

 

[Ghost124]

So supposedly "damage" and supposedly "death" wich is actually a fact and has happened i choose the damage wich i disagree with since tren is so toxic but yet my blood work says other wise. Dnp may not be able to kill you low dose but you know it can lead to death and has happened human error or not. That will never happen with a 19nor ever.

Like I said, under 600mg it is IMPOSSIBLE to die on DNP. It's just simply not enough. You need to go over 1000mg to die. Ask anyone in here who has done DNP.

Like I said, actually research the people who have died, none of those people knew what they were doing or what doses they were taking.

Here I will make it simple:
You do DNP at 400mg per day for 30 days. You feel like shit for 30 days but that's it.
You do 19-nor for 8 weeks and you're on TRT for life

comprende?

 

[tury694]

Anyways, good luck OP and hopefully you have some people you train with to help guide you throughout the process of fat loss. If I decide to drop fat I will probably try to go for the ECA stack.

 

[49ER]

Like I said, under 600mg it is IMPOSSIBLE to die on DNP. It's just simply not enough. You need to go over 1000mg to die. Ask anyone in here who has done DNP.

Like I said, actually research the people who have died, none of those people knew what they were doing or what doses they were taking.

Here I will make it simple:
You do DNP at 400mg per day for 30 days. You feel like shit for 30 days but that's it.
You do 19-nor for 8 weeks and you're on TRT for life

comprende?

Lmao i wont even ask where you came up with 8 weeks trt for life

 

[halfwit]

Take DNP but stay away from evil "Tren" it can fuck you up for life lol

Actually, mixing tren and DNP was a HUGE mistake I made once. At higher doses DNP can affect your breathing ability, which we all know tren can do. Mix the two, and go do legs... Nothing bad can happen - right??

They almost had to peel my dumb ass off the hip sled as I went hypoxic and was on the verge of passing out. Lesson learned!

I won't be as bold to say that DNP isn't dangerous. It should be respected and treated as the potential deadly toxin it is. I do however feel that if folks take the time to educate themselves prior to usage - the risks can be minimized.

 

[49ER]

I dont get this everyone detours people from tren says wait for more cycles under your belt talks about how bad reactions and sides ect..... but dnp can be done safely? even though we all know it is poison a real toxin.... heroin can also be done safely lol