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[Mrrippedzilla]

Hmm I vaguely recall austinite saying that some guys did need 7/8 months to see results & mentioned the factors involved including body fat percentage - the higher you are the worse off you'll be.

I would go with the torem but combine it with a diet to cut some bf, just to see if it helps the process.

 

[MBB]

Hmm I vaguely recall austinite saying that some guys did need 7/8 months to see results & mentioned the factors involved including body fat percentage - the higher you are the worse off you'll be.

I would go with the torem but combine it with a diet to cut some bf, just to see if it helps the process.

Do you reckon Austinite's Torem protocol would work or do you have a recommendation for someone whose already been on Ralox for months?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I've just started a 6 week blast of 100mg Tren Ace EOD/100mg Test E E4D (so 175mg Test per week over my 200mg per week cruise dose and with adex dosing to .5mg EOD instead of MWF so tiny increase in frequency, this should only drop my e2 a little further which is controlled on my cruise dosages anyway but shouldn't lower it too low at all). Ralox will be continued at 60mg ED and may even add in .25mg Prami ED but I don't see if that would be neccesary as e2 will be controlled anyway in the case prolactin does show up.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Austinite only gave rec dosages for Ralox and Tamox from memory, but I think 60mg ED of Toremifene was the dose also?

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Do you reckon Austinite's Torem protocol would work or do you have a recommendation for someone whose already been on Ralox for months?

Austinite only gave rec dosages for Ralox and Tamox from memory, but I think 60mg ED of Toremifene was the dose also?

The protocol was ralox at 60mg for 6 weeks, then increase the dose to 80mg for the foreseeable future.
As for tamox/nolva, start at 40mg ed for the first week then drop it to 20mg for the rest of the run. Austinite mentioned that torem may not be the best choice since it stimulates the pituary more than the breast tissue so....something to be aware of if you plan on switching.
The emergency choice would be letro but the dosing is an absolute pain withiout crashing your e2 - I dont see how it can be feasible as a long term option.

My knowledge is no where near the level of austinite's when it comes to this matter but, imo, if after 10 months ralox/tamox doesn't work, as in you see no signs of reversal, then you will have to accept surgery aa the only sure fire solution I'm afraid.

 

[Megatron28]

The protocol was ralox at 60mg for 6 weeks, then increase the dose to 80mg for the foreseeable future.
As for torem (tamox/nolva), start at 40mg ed for the first week then drop it to 20mg for the rest of the run.
The emergency choice would be letro but the dosing is an absolute pain without crashing your e2 - I dont see how it can be feasible as a long term option.

My knowledge is no where near the level of austinite's when it comes to this matter but, imo, if after 10 months ralox/tamox doesn't work, as in you see no signs of reversal, then you will have to accept surgery aa the only sure fire solution I'm afraid.

I thought he recommend starting Ralox at 60mg and then dropping it to 30mg or some lower dosage. Can't remember exactly.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I thought he recommend starting Ralox at 60mg and then dropping it to 30mg or some lower dosage. Can't remember exactly.

He's updated it since then, I'm sure due to the fact that the 60-30mg protocol wasn't as effective as originally expected, something staunched & mbb are examples of.

I should note that the original write up in this thread is now outdated so...take what it says with a grain of salt.

 

[MBB]

Do you reckon it's worth me upping the Ralox to 60mg ED then as I followed the original 60/30 protocol.

 

[Megatron28]

Do you reckon it's worth me upping the Ralox to 60mg ED then as I followed the original 60/30 protocol.

I think you would be fine as long as you keep an eye on your blood work. Make sure it doesn't affect your kidneys or liver. My kidneys definitely didn't like Raloxifene.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Agreed with Mega.

Up to 100mg ralox should be tolerable with bloodwork to keep an eye on things & the dose being slowly increased over a few weeks rather than an overnight switch from 60-100 for example.

 

[MBB]

Thanks Rip and Mega, will up to 60mg tomorrow and then after a couple of weeks work up from that.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Well I just checked for the first time if there is any discharge upon squeezing (had done so previously but obviously not hard enough in fear of further stimulating it) and it just so happened that a clear colour discharge came out of my nipple when I milked it, making sense that it was more than likely that long run with nandrolone that has caused what I now suspect to be prolactin gyno! For the most part I was running .5mg Prami every night 4 weeks into the run and stopped it when I threw the tren in at the tail end because I didn't feel it was making any difference...

I've just commenced .5mg Prami ED which I will ramp up to 1mg ED alongside the Ralox, but will be splitting the dosage to AM/PM. This sort of makes sense, I remember when the water cleared from the Deca it was like it was covering the extent of enlargement that happened over the blast. But one thing is for sure, there is a milky discharge when I squeeze them, my prolactin levels were always in range via bloodwork (mid-upper, but in range) and they never hurt or were this inflamed before the deca run (or when running Prami from what I remember)... Actually now that I really think about it, it was when I stopped the Prami and continued a low dose of deca for joint relief adding to the fact it is such a long ester... That is when I noticed they were very sore when pushed and they were seriously noticeable through a shirt if not cold so...

I will keep updated. If I'm right, which I hope I'm not, this Tren Ace blast would aggravate it so the Prami needs to be run regardless, if anyone is interested here is my current protocol...

100mg Test E E4D (175mg per week, cruise at 200mg with .5mg Adex MWF, keeps e2 at ~120 ref range 30-150)
100mg Tren Ace EOD (350mg per week)
.5mg Adex EOD
60mg Raloxifene ED
1mg Prami (ramped up, dosage split AM/PM due to short half-life)
10mg Cialis ED

Will get bloodwork in 3 weeks time to see where things are out and see how progress with gyno is.

 

[Megatron28]

No estrogen should be getting to the breast tissue with the Raloxifene. The breast tissue should be getting starved. Are you sure your Raloxifene is real?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

My Raloxifene is Genuine Evista... Picked up from the pharmacy myself... It baffles me, yes.

 

[Brandon_w]

First off, great read. However, since this is a tad outdated, what are your thoughts on aromasin for the treatment of gynecomastia? Many forums state that this is one of the best treatments to date. Just wanted your opinion since aromasin is an AI.

 

[hiram1st]

The studies I've read conclude serms have had the best results for treatment and reversal of gyno. Many the use of tomax\nolva and raloxifene. Serms focus on the breast tissue where an ai affects the aromatase of estrogen in general.

I would think focusing on the breast area would be the way to go.

 

[Megatron28]

First off, great read. However, since this is a tad outdated, what are your thoughts on aromasin for the treatment of gynecomastia? Many forums state that this is one of the best treatments to date. Just wanted your opinion since aromasin is an AI.

Brandon: Aromasin is a great idea for managing estradiol while cycling (including avoiding the onset of gyno) but I have never seen a study showing it is effective a treating existing gyno. Can you post any studies you have found?

 

[rocky78]

Gynecomastia is over development of the male breast. The glandular tissue of the breast swells, usually in response to an excess of the female hormone estrogen or a lack of testosterone, a male hormone. It occurs in babies, teen boys, and older men.

 

[mannyo4339]

had a quick question so yes i know i shouldve researvhed first andi know im an idiot, i know i developed gyno because under both nipples there is a hard lump about size or a quarter, it doesnt hurt and isnt sore or itch, its just the lumps, i took dbol at 50 mg a day and test at 250 mg 2x weekly, i didnt put in ai arimidex till end of week 1, at first nips were tingling than the gland started getting bigger, now these 2 hard lumps are here, can nolva at 40 mg reverse lumps like this that came in 2 weeks? im really freaking out here but i know for a fact i do have gyno

 

[Megatron28]

had a quick question so yes i know i shouldve researvhed first andi know im an idiot, i know i developed gyno because under both nipples there is a hard lump about size or a quarter, it doesnt hurt and isnt sore or itch, its just the lumps, i took dbol at 50 mg a day and test at 250 mg 2x weekly, i didnt put in ai arimidex till end of week 1, at first nips were tingling than the gland started getting bigger, now these 2 hard lumps are here, can nolva at 40 mg reverse lumps like this that came in 2 weeks? im really freaking out here but i know for a fact i do have gyno

Did you read this thread? It recommends raloxifene over tamoxifen.