Do I have Hypothyroidism? Help Out Here...

My_Pitch27

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My endo says that I may have hypothyroidism, I had a second opinion and the other doctor said I don't really but would treat my numbers based on my symptoms, if necessary.

I've been going back and forth with the old - to take the pill or not take the pill?

A few concerns I have are;
1) Levothyroxine and Raloxifene have a 'Moderate' drug interaction, taking the Ralo for gyno.
2) Levothyroxine and Anavar have a 'Moderate' drug interaction, I'd like to take this in the near future.
3) Levothyroxine and Testosterone have a 'Moderate' drug interaction as well, I will most likely be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or cycle again in the near future.

Here are my numbers...Please, give me your honest opinions on if I'm hypo of not.
Thank you in advance to those that take the time to reply. It will be much appreciated as I've been mind fu*king myself on whether or not to take the pill.

[[I only have two labs as of right now and these are the only corresponding values that were tested]]

:::Lab date: 1/2/2013:::

T3 Uptake 36 (High) Range 22-35%
T4 Thyroxine 5.1 Range 4.5-12.0 mcg/dL
TSH 3.94 Range 0.40-4.50 mIU/L

:::Lab date: 6/14/2013:::

Thyroxine, Free, Direct 1.1 Range 0.8-1.8 ng/dL
TSH 3.38 Range 0.40- 4.50 mIU/L
 
I'm not a doctor, but it looks like you're on the edge of hypothyroidism with that TSH value and T3 uptake. I'm not sure why doctors like to push T4 when you should be getting BOTH to properly treat hypothyroidism, but I'm not the one with a fancy MD next to my name either. I think it all comes down to how you FEEL. If you feel rundown and tired with the pounds sticking to you, go for it. If you feel fine and don't see a need to add more drugs to your body - skip it. Simple as that imo. ;)

My .02c :)


Oh, and the interaction between T4 and AAS is just that AAS can increase metabolism - hence the warning. Not sure about raloxifene though.
 
I'm not a doctor, but it looks like you're on the edge of hypothyroidism with that TSH value and T3 uptake. I'm not sure why doctors like to push T4 when you should be getting BOTH to properly treat hypothyroidism, but I'm not the one with a fancy MD next to my name either. I think it all comes down to how you FEEL. If you feel rundown and tired with the pounds sticking to you, go for it. If you feel fine and don't see a need to add more drugs to your body - skip it. Simple as that imo. ;)

My .02c :)


Oh, and the interaction between T4 and AAS is just that AAS can increase metabolism - hence the warning. Not sure about raloxifene though.


Halfwit-

Thanks for responding. I can honestly say that most days I feel lethargic and just kind of out of it. Now, you mentioned something that I've read elsewhere that I should be prescribed something for my t4 and t3 levels, not just the levothyroxine. I'm still unsure of what the other medication is or how it works in conjunction with levo.

Also, the interaction between levo and Test and Anavar is just that the latter compounds will increase my metabolism, not decrease efficacy of the medication itself?

Thank you.
 
levothyroxine ***8596; testosterone
Applies to: levothyroxine, testosterone
MONITOR: Androgens may induce reversible clinical hyperthyroidism in patients receiving thyroid hormone replacement therapy. The proposed mechanism is androgen-induced decrease in T4 binding globulin resulting in decreased serum T4, increased T3 uptake resin and free T4, and decreased TSH levels.

MANAGEMENT: Clinical and laboratory monitoring of thyroid function may be necessary, as may a 25% to 50% reduction in thyroid hormone dosage.

Drug Interactions Checker Results - Drugs.com

levothyroxine ***8596; oxandrolone
Applies to: levothyroxine, oxandrolone
MONITOR: Androgens may induce reversible clinical hyperthyroidism in patients receiving thyroid hormone replacement therapy. The proposed mechanism is androgen-induced decrease in T4 binding globulin resulting in decreased serum T4, increased T3 uptake resin and free T4, and decreased TSH levels.

MANAGEMENT: Clinical and laboratory monitoring of thyroid function may be necessary, as may a 25% to 50% reduction in thyroid hormone dosage.

Drug Interactions Checker Results - Drugs.com

levothyroxine ***8596; raloxifene
Applies to: levothyroxine, raloxifene
MONITOR: An isolated case report suggests that concurrent administration of raloxifene may interfere with the gastrointestinal absorption of levothyroxine. The mechanism of interaction is unknown. A 79-year-old woman stabilized on levothyroxine 0.15 mg/day for several years experienced symptoms of hypothyroidism with an elevated thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) level 2 to 3 months after initiating therapy with raloxifene 60 mg/day. The levothyroxine dosage was gradually increased to 0.3 mg/day over the next several months but TSH level remained elevated nine months after starting raloxifene. To test the possibility of an interaction, administration times of the drugs were separated by approximately 12 hours on two separate occasions lasting 6 to 8 weeks each. In addition, the absorption of 1.0 mg of levothyroxine sodium with and without the coadministration of raloxifene was measured on two occasions by collecting serial blood samples for 6 hours. Results of the studies support the speculation that raloxifene reduced the absorption of levothyroxine in the patient.

MANAGEMENT: Pharmacologic response and serum TSH level should be monitored more closely following the addition of raloxifene to a stable levothyroxine regimen. Patients should consider separating the times of administration as much as possible if an interaction is suspected.

Drug Interactions Checker Results - Drugs.com
 
doc-

Excellent information! Thank you...
Let me ask you, do you consider my numbers to be hypo? And do you agree with Halfwit that I need to be treating the t3 and t4?

To be honest there are a few different reference ranges in effect for TSH so it really depends on who you ask. Your lab uses 4.5 as the upper limit but I've seen much lower limits

These findings led to the recommendation in January 2003 by the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE) that doctors "consider treatment for patients who test outside the boundaries of a narrower margin based on a target TSH level of 0.3 to 3.0. AACE believes the new range will result in proper diagnosis for millions of Americans who suffer from a mild thyroid disorder, but have gone untreated until now."
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Even without signs or symptoms of an underactive thyroid (hypothyroidism), you will need to be followed closely by your doctor if your TSH level is over 3.5 mIU/L but your T4 test is normal (called subclinical hypothyroidism).

TSH test: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

This is where the discrepancy between your different doctors, their interpretations of which reference ranges to use. According to the second quote I posted anything above a 3.5 for TSH with normal TT4 would mean a "sub-clinical hypothyroid" diagnosis which means you don't display many of the normal symptoms associated with hypothyroidism. The fact that your TSH dropped significantly is a good thing but some would still treat you for hypothyroidism still.

T3 Uptake is a useless indicator of anything and an outdated measurement. Have you gotten free T3 or total T3 numbers? They are important indicators of what's going on as well. Another aspect is your temperature, is it stable, unstable, higher or lower than average etc?

Some possible issues with the numbers I see (but need T3 numbers) are hypothyroidism due to low thyroid function as primary cause, Late Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, or Hypothyroid and Adrenal fatigue but again these are not definitive diagnoses. Since your numbers can really be interpreted both ways I would gauge it by how you feel. But you need an honest assessment of that can your lethargy be explained with sleep problems, nutritional problems, etc, do you have a very difficult time losing weight when in a true caloric deficit, etc.

Some corrective steps to take for eliminating adrenal fatigue as a possible cause are removing any allergens from the diet, a complete b-complex vitamin with high doses of B5, anti-oxidants and Vitamin C with bioflavonoids, amino acid supplementation, organic meat and dairy sources of dietary fats, and unrefined sea salt to slightly elevate blood pressure and assist with holding water.

For very mild poor thyroid function you could try L-Tyrosine and iodine or T-100 (a thyroid supporting glandular supplement).

As to which medications to take, they generally prescribe T4 only medications like synthroid (levothyroxine) if missing T4 is the problem. Usually in hypothyroidic patients the conversion of T4 to T3 is not the issue but low T4 is. Here's a better explanation.

What about T3?
While most actions of thyroid hormone are most likely due to T3, most T3 in the body comes from the conversion of T4. The conversion of T4 to T3 is normal in hypothyroid patients. T3 has a very short life span in the body, while the life span of T4 is much longer, ensuring a steady supply of T3. A preparation of synthetic T3 (Cytomel®) is available. After taking a tablet of Cytomel® there are very high levels of T3 for a short time, and then the levels fall off very rapidly. This means that T3 has to be taken several times each day, and even doing this does not smooth out the T3 levels properly. In addition, it is impossible to avoid having too much thyroid hormone in the system soon after each dose of T3 is taken. High T3 levels can lead to unpleasant symptoms such as rapid heart beat, insomnia and anxiety. High T3 levels also can harm the heart and the bones. Another concern with using T3 treatment is that the body is deprived of the ability to adjust the conversion of T4 to T3 to regulate the supply of T3 according to the body’s own needs. Thus, there is no indication for the use of T3 alone for the treatment of hypothyroidism.

What about combined T4 and T3 treatment?
Some hormone preparations containing both T4 and T3 are available in the United States (Thyrolar®). Combination T4/T3 preparations contain much more T3 than is usually produced naturally within the body. Because of this, they can have the same side effects as T3 given by itself. It is also given once a day, ignoring the short life span of T3 in the body. There has been interest in whether a combination of T4 and T3, with a lower amount of T3 given more than once a day, might result in better treatment of hypothyroidism, especially in those patients that do not feel completely normal on T4 alone. In these cases, Cytomel® (T3) is taken in addition to T4. A trial period of 3 – 6 months is reasonable to determine if combination T4 and T3 therapy will help.

Thyroid Hormone Treatment | Best Practices

In the end you have only to go by what you feel. While your numbers may be in reference range, they may not be in optimal range. Talk to your doctors about any symptoms you may have if you haven't done so already. Just bc your numbers aren't in optimal range doesn't mean you need to take levothyroxine unless you're experiencing specific symptoms you think would be helped by the medication.
 
First, i want to say that halfwit is right, they will treat how you feel. Here's the thing with TSH (from my experience), as hyperthyroid is in a very narrow range (less than .40). It gets pretty severe in small increments since you only have between 0 and .40. Hypothyroid, I've seen values in the 15s, and they were that bad off. Your reuptake levels are decent, meaning even if it mean more TSH, the thyroid is doing what it needs to do.

I suck at endocrine admittedly, but this is what I remember from school
 
I'm not a doctor, but it looks like you're on the edge of hypothyroidism with that TSH value and T3 uptake. I'm not sure why doctors like to push T4 when you should be getting BOTH to properly treat hypothyroidism, but I'm not the one with a fancy MD next to my name either. I think it all comes down to how you FEEL. If you feel rundown and tired with the pounds sticking to you, go for it. If you feel fine and don't see a need to add more drugs to your body - skip it. Simple as that imo. ;)

My .02c :)


Oh, and the interaction between T4 and AAS is just that AAS can increase metabolism - hence the warning. Not sure about raloxifene though.
I am hypo aswell and I completely agree with this. But I could not convince my endo to treat me with t4 and t3 so he has me on 75mcg levothyroxine ED and now my t4 is in upper range and my t3 is below range still but I'm not gonna lie I do feel better than I did before starting treatment.
 
My endo says that I may have hypothyroidism, I had a second opinion and the other doctor said I don't really but would treat my numbers based on my symptoms, if necessary.

I've been going back and forth with the old - to take the pill or not take the pill?

A few concerns I have are;
1) Levothyroxine and Raloxifene have a 'Moderate' drug interaction, taking the Ralo for gyno.
2) Levothyroxine and Anavar have a 'Moderate' drug interaction, I'd like to take this in the near future.
3) Levothyroxine and Testosterone have a 'Moderate' drug interaction as well, I will most likely be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or cycle again in the near future.

Here are my numbers...Please, give me your honest opinions on if I'm hypo of not.
Thank you in advance to those that take the time to reply. It will be much appreciated as I've been mind fu*king myself on whether or not to take the pill.

[[I only have two labs as of right now and these are the only corresponding values that were tested]]

:::Lab date: 1/2/2013:::

T3 Uptake 36 (High) Range 22-35%
T4 Thyroxine 5.1 Range 4.5-12.0 mcg/dL
TSH 3.94 Range 0.40-4.50 mIU/L

:::Lab date: 6/14/2013:::

Thyroxine, Free, Direct 1.1 Range 0.8-1.8 ng/dL
TSH 3.38 Range 0.40- 4.50 mIU/L

Personally this is a hard question to answer. By looking at your TSH, I would say that you are a little higher than what I prefer but it all goes back to how you feel. What is your testosterone level at the moment?? Generally when I see a higher T3 uptake, it indicates you have a lower level of protein. I will say that optimally, a 1-2 on a TSH is where I feel the best without being hyper. Now, TSH is much much lower since I am on T3 only. Here is my problem with getting on T4 only

1. Your body has to be constantly working to convert T4 over to the active hormone T3.
2. Throw in the fact of stress, cortisol, estrogen, testosterone, diet, etc and that can affect the conversion rate.
3. When your body doesn't convert the majority of your T4 over, you start to build high levels of RT3 which makes you feel even more hypo than what you are feeling.

So honestly, T4 only treatment is garbage. You will see this pattern with thyroid patients when you look in to it. Most who get on T4 notice a good jolt of energy right away and some do well on it for awhile. However, the consensus shows that these patients continually have to up their T4 meds significantly over time in order to be effective. To me, that shows that the body is converting less and less, hence why the patient feels the need to tell the doc they are hypo again and the doc will give more and more T4. I know because I started on 25mcg of T4 per day and eventually had to get on 100mcg and I will say that T4 was poison to me. Again, some will feel fine at first but I promise you that it will stress your body and become less effective down the road. So to me, hypothyroid patients are generally fixed in 3 ways...

1. Iodine supplementation. D.O (Doctors of Osteopath) are more likely to at least look at this aspect. Do an Iodine piss test and it's good to see the result at least 90% or above. Mine was a 60% iodine efficiency reading. Correcting this has brought several patients out of feeling hypothyroid.
2. Combo T4/T3 med like Armor or Naturethroid which has both T4/T3, etc. That is if you can handle T4 in general. I have learned that I am a thyroid tissue resistant patient myself and any amount of T4 jacks me up.
3. T3 only. I would start at the first 2 options and see if that makes an improvement first. Lets say Iodine doesn't help much and you get on a combo med. Well after a few months on the combo med, you need to do a thyroid panel and make sure to test your Reverse T3. Knowing the ratio between your RT3 and your free or total T3 will give you an idea if you are pooling a lot of RT3 in your blood. You might be alright with the combo and do great. You might need to get on T3 only and see. Hope this helps.

Rip
 
You guys all gave me a ton of excellent information along with your personal experiences with hypo. I'm looking into subclinical hypothyroidism here and still so skeptical about taking the medication. If I understand everything correctly, it looks like just taking levothyroxine (the t4 medication) is a poor choice of therapy by my endo.

Would you guys recommend me discussing a combination therapy with my endo consisting of t4 and t3 medications? And if she says no, then what?

Thank you all who replied...

It appears that Armour Thyroid would be a good medication for balancing t4 and t3, has anyone used this?
 
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You guys all gave me a ton of excellent information along with your personal experiences with hypo. I'm looking into subclinical hypothyroidism here and still so skeptical about taking the medication. If I understand everything correctly, it looks like just taking levothyroxine (the t4 medication) is a poor choice of therapy by my endo.

Would you guys recommend me discussing a combination therapy with my endo consisting of t4 and t3 medications? And if she says no, then what?

Thank you all who replied...
I think I mentioned it in my second post here but T4 meds only are not a waste IF your body is capable of converting T4 to T3. If your problem lies elsewhere than yes there could be better ways of treating it. :)
 
You guys all gave me a ton of excellent information along with your personal experiences with hypo. I'm looking into subclinical hypothyroidism here and still so skeptical about taking the medication. If I understand everything correctly, it looks like just taking levothyroxine (the t4 medication) is a poor choice of therapy by my endo.

Would you guys recommend me discussing a combination therapy with my endo consisting of t4 and t3 medications? And if she says no, then what?

Thank you all who replied...

It appears that Armour Thyroid would be a good medication for balancing t4 and t3, has anyone used this?

Heres the deal. I have yet to see a T4 only patient continue to improve over time while being on T4 only. Ask anyone you know on T4 only that has been on for at least a few years if they have upped their dose over time. 95% of them will have to up the dose. Unfortunately, there are just so many things that can prevent the full conversion process from happening as mentioned like food, alcohol, stress, other hormones, etc. Endo's are terrified of T3 treatment. Period. They are afraid of someone becoming hyper and having heart arrhythmia's. Fact is, when T3 is dosed properly, there are very very little side effects and is completely safe. It's not the Endo's fault completely. Most are taught to treat the TSH number just like some treat Total T numbers as well. We all know that we should be trying to reduce negative symptoms. From all the research I have done over the years, having T3 in the mix is an absolute must. A combo med is more ideal for most users. T4 only gave me horrible anxiety, fat gain, insomnia, dry skin, decreased sex drive, thinning hair, and shortness of breath to name a few. Again, don't let T4 only fool you. You might get on it and do great for the first year or 2, then just like everything in life, things change and you will be hit with a curveball. Check your iodine levels and if you want to get on meds, then try a combo med. I promise you T3 helps with energy, metabolism, and overall good feeling. I have yet to have an issue and I have been on T3 only meds for 3-4 years now.

Oh and here is a great link to cover T4 only treatment, etc.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
 
Heres the deal. I have yet to see a T4 only patient continue to improve over time while being on T4 only. Ask anyone you know on T4 only that has been on for at least a few years if they have upped their dose over time. 95% of them will have to up the dose. Unfortunately, there are just so many things that can prevent the full conversion process from happening as mentioned like food, alcohol, stress, other hormones, etc. Endo's are terrified of T3 treatment. Period. They are afraid of someone becoming hyper and having heart arrhythmia's. Fact is, when T3 is dosed properly, there are very very little side effects and is completely safe. It's not the Endo's fault completely. Most are taught to treat the TSH number just like some treat Total T numbers as well. We all know that we should be trying to reduce negative symptoms. From all the research I have done over the years, having T3 in the mix is an absolute must. A combo med is more ideal for most users. T4 only gave me horrible anxiety, fat gain, insomnia, dry skin, decreased sex drive, thinning hair, and shortness of breath to name a few. Again, don't let T4 only fool you. You might get on it and do great for the first year or 2, then just like everything in life, things change and you will be hit with a curveball. Check your iodine levels and if you want to get on meds, then try a combo med. I promise you T3 helps with energy, metabolism, and overall good feeling. I have yet to have an issue and I have been on T3 only meds for 3-4 years now.

Oh and here is a great link to cover T4 only treatment, etc.

Stop the Thyroid Madness? - Hypothyroidism and thyroid mistreatment

Read the link, great information! Thank you...
I just sent my doctor a message requesting that we treat T4 and T3, possibly with Armour Thyroid...
Will update when she responds...

Thanks again!
 
If you successfully convince your endo to treat you with t4 and t3 please let me know hwat you said in your message i would like to try to convince my endo again.
 
I didn't get a chance to read the entire thread, but here's what I can tell you from experience.

1. Your TSH is high (new range has a high of 3.0 not 4.5) which indicates your body is having a hard time providing the suppluy that is demanded.
2. Your TT4 & FT4 are low which means your body is asking for more, but not recieving it.
3. IMO TT4, FT4 & TSH are useful, but the most important numbers are TT3 & FT3 (I didn't see these. Do you have them?)
4. You can have low T4 values with normal T3 values and not be hypo or experience symptoms.
5. You can have normal T4 values with low T3 values and be hypo with muliple symptoms.

Also, stay away from the synthetic T4 only meds like Levothyroxine and Synthroid, they cause more issues than they cure and make most people feel like shit. I tried them all with and without T3 added.

The only one I will take now is Armour Thyroid. It is a natural desiccated thyroid made from pig glands that provides both T4 & T3. Most grown men will need to work up to between 3 & 4 grains to achieve normal levels.

What are your symptoms anyways? Fatigue, dizziness, brain fog, shortness of breath and an inability to complete full sentences are common. Hypothyroidism also decreases test levels and compounds the exisiting issues with others.
 
I am hypo aswell and I completely agree with this. But I could not convince my endo to treat me with t4 and t3 so he has me on 75mcg levothyroxine ED and now my t4 is in upper range and my t3 is below range still but I'm not gonna lie I do feel better than I did before starting treatment.
This is because doctors are #1 idiots, #2 collecting kickbacks and #3 have been sold a line of bullshit by the pharm companies. T4 is converted to T3 primarily in the liver. Your liver does this very well with your own natural T4, but has difficulty converting synthetic T4. Milions of people are on synthetic T4 and the only ones I know that feel somewhat normal have added T3. Armour Thyroid is the best med if you are hypo. The problem is you have to shop for a doctor that will prescribe it.
 
If you successfully convince your endo to treat you with t4 and t3 please let me know hwat you said in your message i would like to try to convince my endo again.

I will let you know when she responds, she's usually quick to e-mail me back. I have a feeling it will be a big fat no, if this is the case, I will go to another endo and shop...

Does anyone have any idea of how to shop for an endo w/o having to initially get a referral (which I have to do with my insurance). Can I just ask the receptionist if the endo prescribes Armour Thyroid for hypo?
 
I didn't get a chance to read the entire thread, but here's what I can tell you from experience.

1. Your TSH is high (new range has a high of 3.0 not 4.5) which indicates your body is having a hard time providing the suppluy that is demanded.
2. Your TT4 & FT4 are low which means your body is asking for more, but not recieving it.
3. IMO TT4, FT4 & TSH are useful, but the most important numbers are TT3 & FT3 (I didn't see these. Do you have them?)
Unfortunately, I don't have them but I requested that my endo begin testing these values as well
4. You can have low T4 values with normal T3 values and not be hypo or experience symptoms.
5. You can have normal T4 values with low T3 values and be hypo with muliple symptoms.

Also, stay away from the synthetic T4 only meds like Levothyroxine and Synthroid, they cause more issues than they cure and make most people feel like shit. I tried them all with and without T3 added.

The only one I will take now is Armour Thyroid. It is a natural desiccated thyroid made from pig glands that provides both T4 & T3. Most grown men will need to work up to between 3 & 4 grains to achieve normal levels.

What are your symptoms anyways? Fatigue, dizziness, brain fog, shortness of breath and an inability to complete full sentences are common. Hypothyroidism also decreases test levels and compounds the exisiting issues with others.
Most symptoms I have experienced are; fatigue, brain fog, slightly depressed, difficulty concentrating, low libido, and just never enough energy

Thank you for this information! Why are many doctors so hesitant to prescribe Armour Thyroid? Was there some big scandal or something?
 
Drugs. 2012 Jan 1;72(1):17-33. doi: 10.2165/11598070-000000000-00000.
Overt and subclinical hypothyroidism: who to treat and how.
Khandelwal D, Tandon N.
Source
Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism, All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi, India.
Abstract
Hypothyroidism denotes deficient production of thyroid hormone by the thyroid gland and can be primary (abnormality in thyroid gland itself) or secondary/central (as a result of hypothalamic or pituitary disease). The term 'subclinical hypothyroidism' is used to define that grade of primary hypothyroidism in which there is an elevated thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) concentration in the presence of normal serum free thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3) concentrations. Subclinical hypothyroidism may progress to overt hypothyroidism in approximately 2-5% cases annually. All patients with overt hypothyroidism and subclinical hypothyroidism with TSH >10 mIU/L should be treated. There is consensus on the need to treat subclinical hypothyroidism of any magnitude in pregnant women and women who are contemplating pregnancy, to decrease the risk of pregnancy complications and impaired cognitive development of the offspring. However, controversy remains regarding treatment of non-pregnant adult patients with subclinical hypothyroidism and serum TSH values ***8804;10 mIU/L. In this subgroup, treatment should be considered in symptomatic patients, patients with infertility, and patients with goitre or positive anti-thyroid peroxidase (TPO) antibodies. Limited evidence suggests that treatment of subclinical hypothyroidism in patients with serum TSH of up to 10 mIU/L should probably be avoided in those aged >85 years. Other pituitary hormones should be evaluated in patients with central hypothyroidism, especially assessment of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis, since hypocortisolism, if present, needs to be rectified prior to initiating thyroid hormone replacement. Levothyroxine (LT4) monotherapy remains the current standard for management of primary, as well as central, hypothyroidism. Treatment can be started with the full calculated dose for most young patients. However, treatment should be initiated at a low dose in elderly patients, patients with coronary artery disease and patients with long-standing severe hypothyroidism. In primary hypothyroidism, treatment is monitored with serum TSH, with a target of 0.5-2.0 mIU/L. In patients with central hypothyroidism, treatment is tailored according to free or total T4 levels, which should be maintained in the upper half of the normal range for age. In patients with persistently elevated TSH despite an apparently adequate replacement dose of LT4, poor compliance, malabsorption and the presence of drug interactions should be checked. Over-replacement is common in clinical practice and is associated with increased risk of atrial fibrillation and osteoporosis, and hence should be avoided.

Overt and subclinical hypothyroidism: who to treat and... [Drugs. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

^^^that will explain why you're getting differing opinions from different doctors.

Restoring Thyroid Function

For mildly poor thyroid function, one can often get the needed support with supplements such as L-Tyrosine and iodine (e.g. Prolamine Iodine) or a thyroid supporting glandular supplement (e.g. T-100). Supplements containing mixtures of thyroid nutrients are also available. Some thyroid glandular may offer more complete support.

If the thyroid condition is more severe, one may require prescription medication. Giving only T4 (e.g. Levothyroxine, Synthroid, Unithroid, Levoxyl etc) is a good choice if T4 is the only missing component. In individuals with poor conversion of T4 to T3, a desiccated thyroid preparation (e.g. Armour Thyroid Rx) often works best because it contains the needed T3 as well. Breaking up the dose into two or three doses daily provides a more stable blood level of T3 and generally produces better results. Taking the daily dose all at once in the morning tends to be stressful on the adrenals and often leaves one feeling depleted by afternoon. Evidence of this can be seen when taking daily temperatures. The adrenal stress shows up as increased temperature volatility.

Note that if the adrenals are too weak to handle the desiccated thyroid (Rx) then we often see an initial response of better energy and fewer symptoms followed by a later ‘crash’ in which energy can drop to even lower levels than before the desiccated thyroid support. Additionally, other symptoms of adrenal stress such as anxiety, insomnia, and palpitations (racing heart) can then occur. The same can be seen with fast release T3 (e.g. Cytomel) or with slow release T3.

Metabolic Therapy Overview

Doctors are hesitant to prescribe armour thyroid bc there is little/no evidence in the form if peer-reviewed double blind studies that dedicated thyroid has any advantage over synthetic thyroxine but the flip is also true: there's no/little evidence that synthetic thyroxine is any better than dedicated liver products either. Also, you have to realize the funding, marketing and lobbying powers of pharmaceutical companies, and the downright illegal tactics they will pull to get their meds prescribed over others.

November, 2005 -- All out war is being waged between Dr. Steven Hotze, author of a book published earlier this year, "Hormones, Health and Happiness," and the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists (AACE). The controversy centers on an appearance Dr. Hotze made on the CBS Early Show on September 19, 2005, to discuss his book. In the interview with CBS host René Syler, Hotze made a head-on assault against conventional endocrinology -- along with its main source of funding, Synthroid, one of America's top-selling and most profitable prescription drugs.

In the CBS interview, Hotze took issue with his perceived flaws in how hypothyroidism is diagnosed. Said Hotze:

"This is what I hear from women. "I've been made to feel like a hypochondriac. I've got these problems." What are the problems? Loss of energy, fatigue, hair loss, difficulty with weight, mood swings, can't think clearly, mood swings, go to bed tired, wake up tired, toss and turn all night, sluggish bowel function, joint/muscle aches pains, elevated cholesterol, loss of the lateral third of the eyebrows, enlarged tongue, they don't feel the romantic moods and inclinations, and they go to the doctor, and the doctor does a blood test, and goes 'your thyroid is normal.' How do you think that makes a woman feel? She feels like "well, maybe it's in my mind." The doctor gives her an antidepressant.

Hotze then explained his philosophy of giving a therapeutic trial of Armour Thyroid when a patient presents with symptoms. He said:
Conventional doctors rely strictly on blood tests....That doesn't work. Because 95% of the people alaways fall within the range. That's how they define the range...So in my opinion...we listen to the patient and let her tell us her symptoms. And then we will treat her based upon her clinical symptoms and give her a therapeutic trial of thyroid.
Later in the interview, Hotze took aim directly at Synthroid, while explaining his preference for Armour:
Armour Thyroid's been around for 100 years. Synthroid...synthetic thyroid -- it's not even the active thyroid hormone, nor is Levothroid or Levoxyl. These are synthetic thyroid hormones that the drug companies have perpetrated upon the public, convinced the endocrinologists and doctors to use. And they put the women on these drugs. And I say this...If you're taking a synthetic thyroid preparation and you still have the symptoms of low thyroid, it's not working. And you ought to have a trial of Armour Thyroid.
The AACE clearly disagreed with Hotze's comments, and wrote a letter of response to CBS dated October 18, 2005.


In the letter, Dr. Bill Law, President of the AACE, expressed his "extreme concern and disappointment," calling the interview a "thinly veiled infomercial for his practice and book."

The AACE also criticized Armour Thyroid, saying:

Animal-derived desiccated thyroid, which Dr Hotze endorses and describes as "natural," is not a natural form of thyroid replacement for humans at all. It is an obsolete product obtained from ground-up cattle and pig thyroid glands. The chemical composition is quite variable, since only the iodine content is measured, and the amount of biologically active thyroid hormones in each tablet is not quantified. This makes it extremely difficult for even a trained specialist to properly adjust the dose to fit each patient's needs.
For context, it's important to note that AACE as an organization relies heavily on funding from Abbott Laboratories, manufacturer of Synthroid (See AACE's Corporate Partners list). Many of the members of AACE's leadership, as well as influential general members, are also recipients of hefty grants, speaking fees and honorarium, research funds, free drug samples, free patient literature, logo gift items, and other financial and material support from Synthroid's manufacturer.
It's also important to note that in recent history, whenever Synthroid has been criticized publicly, AACE has come to its defense by issuing public statements, or conducting public relations efforts in support of Synthroid.

For example, Synthroid came under serious fire in 2001 when the FDA refused the manufacturer's request to bypass the required FDA drug approval process, and instead required that the drug receive FDA approval, or phase out manufacturing. In a scathing April 26, 2001 letter to Knoll Pharmaceuticals, Synthroid's manufacturer at the time, the FDA wrote:

The history of potency failures...indicates that Synthroid has not been reliably potent and stable.
The FDA also outlined what they called "a long history of manufacturing problems," including recalls due to potency and stability problems, deviations from good manufacturing practices, and products that were of low dosage.

The AACE President at the time, Rhoda Cobin, had a letter published in the Wall Street Journal in support of Synthroid. Because the manufacturer had failed to bypass the approval process, and was unable to produce a product that met with FDA approval by the FDA deadline, the FDA was recommending production cuts and eventual phase-out of Synthroid, until such time as the manufacturer could produce a product of sufficient quality to receive FDA approval. At the time, Cobin wrote:
...while the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists does not endorse specific products, the 3,700 physicians in our organization, all specialists in thyroid disease, have found that Synthroid has a long record of safety, efficacy, reliability and consistency...
In June, 2001, AACE also issued a press release in support of Synthroid, titled "Synthroid Should Remain on the Market." ( Read the release now.)
"While AACE does not endorse specific products, it feels that this proposed action is extremely misguided and unwarranted," said Rhoda Cobin, in that release.

Just this past January, AACE launch a questionable campaign to mark the January 2005 "Thyroid Awareness Month." Their campaign, which focused on concerns about bioequivalence and attempts to convince patients not to switch thyroid drugs, also functions as an effort to protect market share for Synthroid. (See more information about the AACE campaign.)

So, it should come as no surprise, then, that AACE has again defended Synthroid against criticisms, in this case, those leveled by Hotze.

What is suprising is that CBS rather quickly agreed to present the AACE perspective, which is not typical for most media outlets. On October 25, 2005, CBS issued a mea culpa to the AACE (Read the entire CBS' response now.) In his letter, Michael Bass, Senior Executive Producer of The Early Show, wrote:

I agree with you that we definitely should have done a better job of challenging his opinions, and also that much of what he proposed falls far outside the accepted norms and, according to our Dr. Emily Senay, could be potentially harmful to some patients. Dr. Hotze is of course entitled to his opinion, but we should have done a better job of countering his perspective and offering more accepted alternatives, so that our viewers would have sufficient information to take with them to their own doctors... As a result, and in light of the concerns you raised, we are airing a segment tomorrow in our Healthwatch on thyroid disease with our own Dr. Senay, which will specifically counter many of the points made by Dr. Hotze...
CBS also blogged this on their Public Eye blog on October 26, 2005, saying: "Kudos to Bass for acknowledging and investigating the AACE's concerns."
CBS's health correspondent, Dr. Emily Senay, then did a segment on October 26, 2005, talking about thyroid disease, offering a straight conventional perspective in line with the AACE positions. You can read the account of her segment at the CBS site or view the segment online. (Click here, and once at the site, scroll midway down the page)

But Hotze is not letting CBS or AACE have the last word. In response, Hotze sent a letter to CBS on November 10, 2005. (Read his entire letter now) In the letter, Hotze said:

The current medical paradigm for diagnosing and treating low thyroid conditions is to rely solely on blood tests, tests which in and of themselves cannot predict patient symptoms...These women with so called normal tests are then routinely sent home with prescriptions for psychiatric drugs, specifically, antidepressants, having been made to feel that they are hypochondriacs, neurotics or hysterics and that their problems have a psychosomatic origin.
Hotze also hit back hard with the following statement:
Many AACE members are guilty of ruining the lives of millions of women whose hypothyroid conditions they leave untreated.
Hotze then concluded:
"May I recommend for your consideration that you host a debate between Bill Law and me over the correct evaluation and treatment of hypothyroidism? Properly advertised it would draw a huge audience of women in mid life who are fascinated by the problem of hypothyroidism. It would compete for the same audience as Desperate Housewives.
Hotze vs. AACE: Who's Right, Who's Wrong?
So, where is the truth in this controversy? A few interesting points to note.

From my perspective as a patient advocate, I absolutely agree with Dr. Hotze that many women are made to feel like hypochondriacs. A quick look at my Thyroid Forums and it's easy to see that many thyroid patients are not getting properly diagnosed, and are made to feel like hypochondriacs by their physicians, including endocrinologists. I receive hundreds of letters each week, and the difficulty patients have in getting taken seriously by their physicians is a constant refrain.

Dr. Hotze's assertion that conventional doctors rely strictly on blood tests is also true. Conventional physicians rely almost exclusively on the blood tests, and the TSH test in particular, to diagnose most thyroid conditions.
What is completely perplexing to me is that even with the availability of blood testing, millions of people aren't even able to get diagnosed. The Colorado Thyroid Prevalence Study, published in the Archives of Internal Medicine in early 2000, estimated that nationally, more than 13 million Americans have undiagnosed thyroid disease.

And that number is conservative, given more recent developments. The doctors who rely on blood tests currently don't agree with each other as to what constitutes "normal" test results. For several years, a controversy has been raging among conventional endocrinologists regarding the recommendation to narrow the so-called "normal" range of the TSH test to 0.3 to 3.0, from the current range of approximately 0.5 to 5.0. Such a change to lab values was recommended back in late 2002/early 2003 by both the AACE and the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry.

One 2005 study reported on in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that using a TSH upper normal range of 5.0, approximately 5% of the population is hypothyroid. However, if the upper portion of the normal range was lowered to 3.0, approximately 20% of the population -- as many as 59 million people -- would be hypothyroid. (Fatourechi V, Klee GG, Grebe SK, et al. Effects of reducing the upper limit of normal TSH values. Journal of the American Medical Association. 2003;290:3195-3196.)

If a simple change to the lab value norms could result in an additional 40+ million people being diagnosed as having thyroid disease, then it's hard to question the argument that current blood tests are not successfully diagnosing everyone with hypothyroidism.

As for Armour, the AACE's condemnation of this drug includes a major medical error. No currently marketed prescription desiccated thyroid drug is made of "ground up cattle thyroid glands," as the AACE stated in their letter. Use of cattle in preparation of prescription thyroid drugs was phased out years ago. Armour Thyroid, and other brands of desiccated thyroid, drugs that are legally sold as prescription pharmaceuticals and regulated by the FDA, are made only of the thyroid glands of pigs. That the endocrinology community does not even know what desiccated thyroid is currently made of raises serious questions about their level of knowledge in their own field, and their motives in disseminating obviously erroneous information to the media.

The argument against Armour also does not have a scientific basis. The preference for synthetic, versus natural, thyroid is opinion. There is no double-blind, peer-reviewed medical research that establishes that today's levothyroxine is superior in treating hypothyroidism as compared to today's prescription desiccated thyroid drugs. The way that thyroid hormone replacement drugs are evaluated and measured for effectiveness is in their ability to restore and maintain a patient to normal thyroid status (euthyroid status), as measured by the thyroid blood tests. A thyroid patient taking an appropriate dosage of Armour Thyroid is, when monitored and properly titrated by their physicians, able to maintain euthyroid levels. If that wasn't so, thousands of responsible physicians across the U.S. would not prescribe it for their thyroid patients. And, in 2004, more than 2 million prescriptions were written for Armour Thyroid. There are clearly many doctors who are able to properly adjust the dose to fit their patients' needs.

All in all, it appears that the AACE, likely at the insistence of Synthroid, is yet again coming to the aid of its main sponsor. Threatened by Dr. Hotze's appearance on national network morning show, and his clear disdain for the conventional endocrinology approach as espoused by AACE, and his criticisms against the drug Synthroid, AACE felt it necessary to defend the conventional medical viewpoint, and, by attacking Armour, to implicitly defend Synthroid.
 
Thank you for this information! Why are many doctors so hesitant to prescribe Armour Thyroid? Was there some big scandal or something?
The main reason is big pharma. You can't patent a natural hormone, so there's no money in it unless you get real creative. As a result, they design and patent synthetic hormones then convince docs that synthetic is better. You would be surprised how many docs have been brainwashed into believing that Armour is actually arsenic.
 
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