Do I have Hypothyroidism? Help Out Here...

Well your doctor would know best but generally nodules can be nothing or can be everything. An ultrasonography is done to see if they're cysts or solid nodules, a biopsy might be done to see if they're cancerous or benign, and hot nodules (that cause you to produce too much hormone) are almost always benign while cold nodules (cause thyroid to produce too little hormone) have a few types that are cancerous.

Treatment options for nodules are usually either synthetic hormone replacement or surgery if cancerous. If you've been diagnosed wth Hashimoto's though this is moot, you're primarily concerned with replacing the hormone your body isn't producing. Most thyroid hormone replacement therapies are reversible meaning if you start them and decide to stop later on, your thyroid will go back to 'normal' after a few weeks, whatever normal is to you in this case hypothyroidic. If you really suffer no symptoms you don't necessarily have to treat it but with what I just said, you can try treating it to see if something changes for the better and if not come back off. Thyroid armour and T3 would def be better options than T4 (especially considering you have great T4 values so you may also have a conversion to T3 issue). T4 is the inferior treatment method for the most part. The only way to know what your doctor will prescribe is to ask. If he does T4 and refuses to hear you out on other options go doctor shopping and call ahead to see what treatment options each doctor is used to prescribing.

wow thanks for the great reply. I dunno I feel like shit having the doctor tell me I might have hashimotos because of the noduels they found. Like I said I feel fine and am not gaining crazy fat. TSH being 6.6 doesn't seem that high to me given the range is .5-5

He never tested for the antibodies that would show an auto immune disease so that might be something to look into. How would you know if I have a t4 to t3 conversion problem?
 
wow thanks for the great reply. I dunno I feel like shit having the doctor tell me I might have hashimotos because of the noduels they found. Like I said I feel fine and am not gaining crazy fat. TSH being 6.6 doesn't seem that high to me given the range is .5-5

He never tested for the antibodies that would show an auto immune disease so that might be something to look into. How would you know if I have a t4 to t3 conversion problem?

We'll the AACE has changed its recommendations but not all doctors and labs have changed their values. According to AACE the new TSH reference ranges should be between .3-3.5 I believe which would make you hypo even more. There's also sub-clinical hypo which means you might still be in range but experiencing symptoms.

You would need to check free and/or total levels of both T3 and T4 to determine if there's a possible conversion issue. Common things to look for if conversion is a problem are mineral deficiencies (especially selenium, zinc, and iodine), GI problems like leaky gut syndrome and candida infections, about 20% of the conversion happens in the liver so look into possible liver issues, adrenal problems, and certain other medications as well. Most doctors from my experience will not treat a conversion issue and fixate on TSH so arm yourself with research, info, and studies. An informed patient is much more likely to have a better outcome in treatment bc you're taking proactive steps towards your health as well as assisting the doctor in treating you.
 
We'll the AACE has changed its recommendations but not all doctors and labs have changed their values. According to AACE the new TSH reference ranges should be between .3-3.5 I believe which would make you hypo even more. There's also sub-clinical hypo which means you might still be in range but experiencing symptoms.

You would need to check free and/or total levels of both T3 and T4 to determine if there's a possible conversion issue. Common things to look for if conversion is a problem are mineral deficiencies (especially selenium, zinc, and iodine), GI problems like leaky gut syndrome and candida infections, about 20% of the conversion happens in the liver so look into possible liver issues, adrenal problems, and certain other medications as well. Most doctors from my experience will not treat a conversion issue and fixate on TSH so arm yourself with research, info, and studies. An informed patient is much more likely to have a better outcome in treatment bc you're taking proactive steps towards your health as well as assisting the doctor in treating you.

Wish I could private msg you... My doctor thinks it is hashimotos due to the noduels, however I noticed the blood work did not test for the specific antibodies..So I should ask for that next time I go in.
 
Wish I could private msg you... My doctor thinks it is hashimotos due to the noduels, however I noticed the blood work did not test for the specific antibodies..So I should ask for that next time I go in.

Get your posts up to 50 so you can PM people. But in all honesty, asking your questions and having them answered in the open like this could benefit many others going through similar circumstances. If there's an issue of privacy or some reason for anonymity of PM's incompletely understand.
 
thanks for your quick replies. Do you know why my doctor would say it is hashimotos without even having done the tests for the antibodies ? Would you reccomend treating for hashis even if there are no symptoms for it to stop the immune attack?
 
Most people don't do well on synthroid/levo. If you want to know the sides that you can expect to experience while on t4 only, I'll tell you. When I first started on ology, I had been taking synthroid for about 8 months. At first I noticed an improvement. This was very short lived because although it was an improvement, it was an improvement from feeling very hypo with a tsh of 15. I took synthroid for 8 months and the sides that still remained were fatigue, less stamina, terrible brain fog, hair loss, and very poor memory. I realized quickly that I couldn't live like this. I talked to people like RIP and joined forums such as health boards, and did my own research. MOST DOCTORS DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT THIS. I took NDT for a few months, and it was great! All my sides went away. The problem is I built up too much rt3, which I am currently in the process of clearing. Right now I am taking cytomel or t3 only. It is definitely working. I would personally skip the levo and start with NDT. Your biggest issue may be finding an endo that is on board with this. I suggest going to your pharmacy and asking which endos prescribe NDT. Your TSH isn't terrible, but then again it is all based on how you feel. Good luck!


I agree, I took synthroid and didn't work well for me, my endo changed my medication to Tirosint is a kinnda of new medication that works much better than synthroid, it comes in a gel cap form and it gets absorved quicker, I've been on it along with T3 for a few months now & it's working well for me.
 
I agree, I took synthroid and didn't work well for me, my endo changed my medication to Tirosint is a kinnda of new medication that works much better than synthroid, it comes in a gel cap form and it gets absorved quicker, I've been on it along with T3 for a few months now & it's working well for me.

how are your muscle gains while on the meds homer?
 
thanks for your quick replies. Do you know why my doctor would say it is hashimotos without even having done the tests for the antibodies ? Would you reccomend treating for hashis even if there are no symptoms for it to stop the immune attack?

No problem bro. It's probably bc Hashimotos is the most common form of hypothyroidism out there. Something like 90%+ of all hypo cases are Hashimoto's I believe
 
No problem bro. It's probably bc Hashimotos is the most common form of hypothyroidism out there. Something like 90%+ of all hypo cases are Hashimoto's I believe

from your experience what does a high TSH number but normal t4 number mean? Why would the brain be signalling my thyroid to produce more if the t4 is normal? Could it be a pituitary gland issue and not a thyroid issue?
 
from your experience what does a high TSH number but normal t4 number mean? Why would the brain be signalling my thyroid to produce more if the t4 is normal? Could it be a pituitary gland issue and not a thyroid issue?

USC said:
Raised TSH, normal free T4 or T3
This is the pattern of thyroid function normally seen with mild thyroid failure (subclinical hypothyroidism) (panel 6). It is common in the population, affecting 5–10% of all women, and in most cases is associated with positive anti-TPO antibodies. Subclinical hypothyroidism is caused by autoimmune hypothyroidism that has not yet progressed to severe thyroid impairment,46 although it can also follow radioiodine treatment or thyroidectomy.
Although subclinical autoimmune hypothyroidism is by far the most common cause of this pattern of thyroid function tests, alternative diagnoses should be considered under certain circumstances. If the TSH concentration is raised to a value usually associated with a low free T4 or T3—eg, over 20 mU/L—or does not return to normal with T4 therapy, the presence of a heterophile—eg, anti- mouse immunoglobulin—interfering with the TSH assay is likely.47 Repeat estimation, with a different assay, or the addition of blocking agents such as mouse serum, can rapidly provide confirmation. Such interfering antibodies persist for years, so the patient should be made aware and the medical records marked to ensure only assays in which interference does not occur are used. Individuals with heterophile antibodies could have completely normal thyroid function, but are often prescribed thyroxine and then accused of poor compliance because intermittent T4 therapy in true hypothyroidism can generate this same pattern of thyroid function tests.
In patients taking thyroxine, an apparent increase in thyroxine requirement, signalled by an increase in TSH in a previously stable patient, could be caused by malabsorption of thyroxine.48 Poor absorption can be caused by small bowel disease or, iatrogenically by cholestyramine or iron therapy.48 A similar change in thyroid function tests has been noted in some individuals on sertraline, but the exact mechanism remains unclear. Amiodarone therapy frequently results in mildly raised TSH values in the first 3 months of therapy, caused by inhibition of T4 or T3 conversion in the pituitary. Affected individuals have normal free hormone concentrations (or slightly raised free T4), and this situation should be distinguished from true amiodarone induced hypothyroidism.14 Recovery from severe non- thyroidal illness, during which thyroid hormones were depressed, can be associated with a transient overshoot of TSH, resulting in a similar pattern of thyroid function.9
In individuals who are negative for thyroid antibodies, an isolated raised TSH could be a result of subclinical defects in thyroid gland function caused by congenital abnormalities. Some individuals with Pendred’s syndrome fall into this category, although most have a goitre but a TSH within the normal range.49 The prevalence of this condition could be as high as 1 in 10 000, accounting for as many as 10% of all cases of hereditary sensineural deafness. The abnormality has been located to a gene on chromosome 7, and Pendrin was cloned in 1997. This gene codes for a putative sulphate transporter. However, the connection with impaired organification of iodine in the thyroid (and therefore a positive perchlorate discharge test) remains unclear.49
Additionally, as mentioned above, syndromes of TSH resistance,42 some with TSH receptor defects,43 and some cases of thyroglobulin synthetic defects,41 might be detected for the first time in adulthood and can be associated with an isolated raised TSH and normal-sized thyroid gland. No doubt further congenital abnormalities will be identified.

Here's info on Hashimoto's specifically:

Dr. Rind said:
1. Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis is a common autoimmune condition in which one develops an allergy to one’s own thyroid gland. In the early phase when there is destruction of thyroid gland and spillage of thyroid hormone (T4), there is a hyperthyroid effect. In an effort to lower the T4 level in the blood, the pituitary gland decreases the amount of TSH it secretes producing a low TSH. The hyper-metabolic state that occurs usually stresses the adrenal glands and causes adrenal fatigue. When enough destruction has occurred and the thyroid gland can make only a small amount of T4, one goes into a hypothyroid phase. Now one has hypothyroidism and adrenal fatigue. Autoimmune antibodies, Anti Thyroglobulin Antibodies (ATA) and Thyroid PerOxidase Antibodies (TPO), are almost always present on blood testing. The body can eventually counter the hyper-metabolic state by reducing the conversion of T4 to T3 (and increasing T4 to RT3 conversion). Thus metabolically, this is like stepping on the brakes in a car that’s going too fast.
 
Hey bro..I saw your informative post on the hypothyroid thread

I too am a young bodybuilder..23 now. I had elevated TSH 7 and 6.6 on my second blood test. So my doctor tested for t4 and did an ultrasound on my neck. The t4 was normal as well 18, however the ultrasound found little noduels on my thyroid...which might mean hashimotos. I am scheduled to see a thyroid specialist to discuss treatment and what not.

What is NDT and have you tried supplementing with armour?

also how do you find bodybuilding and having a hypothyroid? Currently I don't have any major symptoms which is why this is bugging me so much. Can you gain muscle while running t4 for the thyroid?

Just saw this. I'm 23 as well. I actually got an ultrasound earlier this year in march. It turns out I also have nodules. They can be benign or tumorous. Your doctor will have to keep an eye on them and may do an ultrasound every 6 months to make sure they don't grow. If they do grow you may have to get your thyroid surgically removed. Get tpo test for hashimotos.

I've used naturethroid, not armour. They are the same thing made by different companies. I loved naturethroid, but unfortunately I can't use it temporarily because I have low cortisol adrenal insufficiency, which also caused me to get a high reverse t3. I've fixed my rt3, but now I have to fix my cortisol.

In order to use armour you have to make sure that A.) your cortisol is healthy. This means getting a saliva cortisol test. It is not determined by simply being in range either. B.) your iron has to be healthy. that means tibc, percent saturation, iron serum, uibc, and ferritin

I too didn't have any major symptoms when it all of a sudden sprung on me in a week's time. My tsh must've been building up and got to 15. The symptoms were unbearable. This is coming from a dude who was working 6 days a week 15 hrs/day and doesn't make excuses. Hypothyroidism is not fun at all, but really take what I said to heart. Wish someone told me about this the day I got diagnosed. armour, cortisol, and iron. Remember those!

Stop the Thyroid Madness? - Hypothyroidism and thyroid mistreatment

In terms of bodybuilding, go for it. I don't see how it will be a problem. However, aas use would probably make your hypo worse. That is just a guess. However, once you are on medicine, then cycling is ok imo. Remember your hpta is delicate and everything is linked. While the gonads may not a direct correlation to your thyroid, it may impact it when your hormones are subjected to imbalances.
 
Just saw this. I'm 23 as well. I actually got an ultrasound earlier this year in march. It turns out I also have nodules. They can be benign or tumorous. Your doctor will have to keep an eye on them and may do an ultrasound every 6 months to make sure they don't grow. If they do grow you may have to get your thyroid surgically removed. Get tpo test for hashimotos.

I've used naturethroid, not armour. They are the same thing made by different companies. I loved naturethroid, but unfortunately I can't use it temporarily because I have low cortisol adrenal insufficiency, which also caused me to get a high reverse t3. I've fixed my rt3, but now I have to fix my cortisol.

In order to use armour you have to make sure that A.) your cortisol is healthy. This means getting a saliva cortisol test. It is not determined by simply being in range either. B.) your iron has to be healthy. that means tibc, percent saturation, iron serum, uibc, and ferritin

I too didn't have any major symptoms when it all of a sudden sprung on me in a week's time. My tsh must've been building up and got to 15. The symptoms were unbearable. This is coming from a dude who was working 6 days a week 15 hrs/day and doesn't make excuses. Hypothyroidism is not fun at all, but really take what I said to heart. Wish someone told me about this the day I got diagnosed. armour, cortisol, and iron. Remember those!

Stop the Thyroid Madness? - Hypothyroidism and thyroid mistreatment

In terms of bodybuilding, go for it. I don't see how it will be a problem. However, aas use would probably make your hypo worse. That is just a guess. However, once you are on medicine, then cycling is ok imo. Remember your hpta is delicate and everything is linked. While the gonads may not a direct correlation to your thyroid, it may impact it when your hormones are subjected to imbalances.



Thanks for the response. I cannot private msg but can you please private msg me so we can talk more..perhaps hook up on a diff site or social media? Would like to hear more info and thoughts. thanks again.
 
dreday.. is there a mod I can talk to about sending private msgs without this stupid 50 posts rule? I have been a member here since 2010 and wish to speak to certain members here like lakers in more depth. Thanks.
 
Hey lakers....if you can see this I got your private msg but it is not allowing me to msg you back. If you want private msg me your email and we can converse through that. thanks bro
 
dreday.. is there a mod I can talk to about sending private msgs without this stupid 50 posts rule? I have been a member here since 2010 and wish to speak to certain members here like lakers in more depth. Thanks.

Sorry killer I don't think there's anyway around the PM rule. One option you might try is sending a visitor message and it's similar but not private and anyone visiting that person's page can see the convo. You can go back and delete the messages afterwards though. I'll PM you now, let me know if you get it.
 
Updated lab results...
Symptoms include:
Dry Skin
Fine Wrinkles
Insomnia - difficulty staying asleep
Skin doesn't shine anymore
Difficult to lose weight lately (but then again I'm tapering off of Valium, Remeron and taking Trazodone for sleep)
Feel a bit down

Any insight would be helpful.
I have an endo but she said I could start you on levo, but it's not necessary... She's kinda clueless and not thorough, I sometimes have to remind her to mark boxes on a blood panel, which makes me want to shop for a new endo.

Your insight is much appreciated!!!

This is what I could gather from my records.....
10/15/14
e2 sensitive 42 <=29
TSH 4.62 0.40-4.5
T4, Free 1.1 0.8-1.8
T3 Total 85 76-181
Total Test 617 250-1100
Free Test 91.9 46-244
Tes BioAvail 185 110-575
SHBG 31 10-50
Albumin 4.4 3.6-5.1

10/17/14
Bun 21 8-24
Creatinine 0.6 0.5-1.5
eGFR 169 >60
Albumin 4.6 8.2-10.4
ALT 25 9-41
AST 21 12-45
Total Bilirubin 0.7 0.3-1.5
Total Protein 6.8 5.8-7.8
ALK phosphate 55 30-103

6/6/14

BUN 18 8-24
Creatinine 0.9 0.5-1.5
eGFR 128 >60
Albumin 4.6 3.8-5.5
ALT 19 9-41
AST 23 12-45
Total Bilrubin 0.5 0.3-1.5
Total Protein 6.7 5.8-7.8

5/5/2014

e2 sensitive 14 <=29
TSH 2.88 0.4-4.5
T4 Free 1.0 0.8-1.8
Total T 477 250-1100
Free T 61.6 46-224
Test BioAvail 132 110-575
SHBG 34 10-50
Albumin 4.7 3.6-5.1

2/21/2014

e2 sensitive 29 <=29
total Test 594 250-1100
Free Test 79.4 46-224
Test BioAvail 170.2 110-575
SHBG 34 10-50
Albumin 4.7 3.6-5.1

4/19/2013

BUN 29 7-25
Creatinine 1.26 0.6-1.35
eGFR 77 >=60
Total Protein 7.5 6.1-8.1
Albumin 4.8 3.6-5.1
AST 31 10-40
Total Bilrubin 0.7 0.2-1.2
ALT 29 9-60

1/2/2013

BUN 30 7-25
Creatinine 1.17 0.6-1.35
eGFR 84 >60
Total Protein 7.2 6.1-8.1
AST 35 10-40
ALT 38 9-60
Alkaline Phosphatase 78 40-115
T3 uptake 36 22-35%
T4 5.1 4.5-12.0
TSH 3.94 0.40-4.5
Total Test 619 250-1100
Free Test 106.9 35-155

Any advice would be extremely appreciated..........

I've included tests that don't have Testosterone just due to my Liver and Kidney tests....... Doc says they are normal but I've had pain in my upper right quadrant before and had two ultrasounds, one said I had a mildly enlarged liver.
doc said it could be due to medications or just anatomically bigger????

First ultrasound:
measures 16.2cm demonstrating normal echogenicity without focal lesion.

Conclusions:
1. 3mm dependent gallblader wall polyp or non shadowing gallstone. no gallblader wall thickening or pericholecystic free fluid.
2. no intraheptic or extraheptic biliary dilatation.
3. no hydronephrosis in the right or left kidney

Second ultrasound:
Measures 16.9 cm Echogenicity is normal and there is no focal mass

Conclusions:
1. Gallbladder polp without significant change since first ultrasound
2. no signs of developing cholecystitis or bilary ductal dilatation
3. mild hepatomegaly, unchanged.
 
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