Do steroids permanetly lower your hormone levels?

[Noob84]

The "hating on" wasn't applicable to you obviously.
But the vast majority of users on here don't seem to be capable of formulating coherent and grammatically correct responses such as yourself.
By and large, threads that inquire about the effectiveness of Pro-hormones result in answers like:

Dude, pro-hs are for pussys pin test or gtfo there aint workin bro.

 

[thegreenpander]

How do you know the guys back in the day didn't use a test base?

 

[ChaseTheYoke]

I think it makes sense, that injectables are superior to orals.
Like you said, a lot more of the "good stuff" goes into your system - Agreed.
In the case of halo, only 5% actually get converted by your liver, and yes - it is bad for your liver. No doubt.
However, the 5% that do get into your system, supposedly are the real deal.
So while low and without a test base, it is still a steroid cycle.
And for people that want or need to stay within the boundaries of the law, they are pretty darn awesome if you ask me.

There is a very active member on here (no, not Matt), that has recently claimed he only gained 8 lbs on a 14 week (iirc) Tren / Test cycle.
I am sure, some of that is water too. So are PHs really that bad?
I mean Arnie and company never ran a test base either and they were the best looking BBers - ever.

I gained and kept 17lbs on hdrol. My first cycle ever. I think my bench went up like 100lbs~ in 7 weeks.

 

[Black Beard]

Didn't say the same results, just said results. Creatine does way more than give you water weight, it helps with mental acuity, water weight as you said, it helps optimize the Kreb's cycle and saturates your CP stores to turn ADP back to ATP which is invaluable for lifting weights, and more. With NO negative health risks.

It's your choice in the end, I'm just giving you an opinion. Do your research regardless

Dre's posts literally make my dick HARD. So does zinc. OTC doesn't mean it does not work, there's a lot of garbage out there like cell-tech etc. Obviously the effects of AAS eclipses any and all over the counter supplements, nobody will dispute that. Vitamins, minerals etc can have a huge impact on a bodybuilder who has all his shit dialed in. I love ZMA, creatine is amazing, others swear by fish oil, etc. Of course, if your diet is trash, and you're training like a pussy and not getting any sleep, supplements won't do shit. Look at how many people swear by NAC. That stuff is magic and smells like fart. Gotta love it.

 

[DreDay187]

I gained and kept 17lbs on hdrol. My first cycle ever. I think my bench went up like 100lbs~ in 7 weeks.

So in other words you gained and kept 17lbs of water, fat, glycogen, muscle, food in the gut, connective tissue, etc? Unless you're a beginner you're lucky if 4-5 of those pounds was actual skeletal muscle tissue

 

[Noob84]

My gains have slowed way down right now.
My diet is spot on (3J), my training is spot on (3J and I give it all I've got), but my sleep sucked for almost a week now.
No more pre WO powders for me. Fuck that crap. NO boosters only from here on out.
I hope I didn't screw myself up too bad...

 

[Black Beard]

The half-life of caffeine is 4-6 hours. Depending on the person. So if you take a strong pre workout in the evening, it will still be in your system by bedtime. Caffeine blocks adenosine receptors. Adenosine is what gives you that sleepy feeling.

 

[Noob84]

Yeah, I was chasing the perfect pump and ended up with less pump than on NO boosters, but sleep issues. LOL
Fuck me, right?

 

[ChaseTheYoke]

So in other words you gained and kept 17lbs of water, fat, glycogen, muscle, food in the gut, connective tissue, etc? Unless you're a beginner you're lucky if 4-5 of those pounds was actual skeletal muscle tissue

My strength went through the roof and I was probably around 10% bodyfat. I don't feel the need to prove it to anyone though I do have before and afters. Just saying I took hdrol and got jacked in less than two months and have zero to say bad about it. Sorry if that ruffles anyone's feathers who is on an anti-ph campaign.

 

[Noob84]

Yoke: Do you have a log? I need to learn as much from you as I can. haha

 

[ChaseTheYoke]

Yoke: Do you have a log? I need to learn as much from you as I can. haha

Naw I got one going for my current cycle in tje "my steroid cycle" forum. Give me a sec and I'll see if I can dig up those hdrol pics

 

[Noob84]

K. Can you just give me a summary perhaps?
Like all the supps you used etc.
Thanks!

 

[ChaseTheYoke]

Before: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5abq48lnd60bqh5/After_Front_Flex.jpg

I know it says after but that was some USP Labs crap I took. "Pink magic" I think. This wasn't long before I decided to give hdrol the plunge.

Mid: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0kbym3fe563r0j/2012-01-01_16-06-11_40.jpg

After: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3801627/2012-01-26_08-17-42_623.jpg

Not the best pics, thought I had more.

Ran it at 50/75 through week 7. Would take 1am in two preworkout.

 

[Noob84]

Damn. so 50 for how many weeks and then 75 for how many?
Also, anything else, like test boosters etc?

 

[DreDay187]

My strength went through the roof and I was probably around 10% bodyfat. I don't feel the need to prove it to anyone though I do have before and afters. Just saying I took hdrol and got jacked in less than two months and have zero to say bad about it. Sorry if that ruffles anyone's feathers who is on an anti-ph campaign.

Strength going up does not necessarily correlate to an increase in skeletal muscle mass. Saying you were probably at 10% means you didn't do any body composition measurements like a DEXA scan or BODPOD. It doesn't ruffle my feathers, I'm glad you enjoyed your cycle but my point is you did not gain 17lbs of muscle. 100% impossibility. Even if you felt the need to prove it you couldn't, you don't have body composition numbers so all we can say is you gained 17lbs of fat, muscle, water, glycogen, etc. Im not hating on you just explaining where the 17lbs came from as it's misleading as stated. It implies you gained all muscle when that's not the case. I'm sorry if this ruffles your feathers but again, this is in no way to hate on you.

 

[ChaseTheYoke]

Fish Oil/Multi/Tudca. I also ran Cranivor beef protein for the majority of the cycle

 

[DreDay187]

Looking at your pics you did gain SOME muscle so congrats on that. I just wish you had done a bod pod or something so we know how much muscle you truly did gain.

 

[Noob84]

Strength going up does not necessarily correlate to an increase in skeletal muscle mass. Saying you were probably at 10% means you didn't do any body composition measurements like a DEXA scan or BODPOD. It doesn't ruffle my feathers, I'm glad you enjoyed your cycle but my point is you did not gain 17lbs of muscle. 100% impossibility. Even if you felt the need to prove it you couldn't, you don't have body composition numbers so all we can say is you gained 17lbs of fat, muscle, water, glycogen, etc. Im not hating on you just explaining where the 17lbs came from as it's misleading as stated. It implies you gained all muscle when that's not the case. I'm sorry if this ruffles your feathers but again, this is in no way to hate on you.

So what about snow's 15 test lbs? Aren't those comprised of the same stuff?

 

[Black Beard]

Dat beef protein. I heard it tastes like shit

 

[ChaseTheYoke]

Damn. so 50 for how many weeks and then 75 for how many?
Also, anything else, like test boosters etc?

50 week one and 75 week 2-7. Didn't take anything else with it. Also I only took the TUDCA eod I think.

Looking at your pics you did gain SOME muscle so congrats on that. I just wish you had done a bod pod or something so we know how much muscle you truly did gain.

Yeah I hear ya. I wish I would have too. Like I said it was my first cycle ever so that probably was a big factor. I never had any libido problems either. I'm not as well versed on the science of androgens, and I enjoy learning here, but I was just stating my experience. The strength alone would make it worth it imo. I actually am on Super DMZ 3.0 atm, as I read that it was more powerful mg to mg of var/dbol. Guess I'll see, too bad I had already purchased the dbol. It's Dymethazine, Methylstenbolone, and Alpha-1 (precursor to M1T).