Do steroids permanetly lower your hormone levels?

[ChaseTheYoke]

Dat beef protein. I heard it tastes like shit

You have no idea. I had it when it was the original plain flavor and it was the worst thing I may have ever tasted. Then they came out with blue-raspberry or something and it wasn't much better. I cycled off it because of the creatine and haven't been back.

 

[DreDay187]

So what about snow's 15 test lbs? Aren't those comprised of the same stuff?

Who's Snow and what are test lbs lol??

 

[Noob84]

Who's Snow and what are test lbs lol??

LOOOL. Yeah, I can see how that was a touch confusing.
2 threads going on at the same time with almost the same discussion. My bad.

This should help:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/p...ones-convert-actual-steroids.html#post3491825

 

[ChaseTheYoke]

Who's Snow and what are test lbs lol??

I'm assuming the user SnowPatrol gained 15lbs on test?

 

[Noob84]

You sir, must be a genius.
Correct.

 

[DreDay187]

I'm assuming the user SnowPatrol gained 15lbs on test?

You sir, must be a genius.
Correct.

Lol i didn't connect the dots. Well first off, has SnowPatrol stated that he gained 15lbs of MUSCLE specifically or 15lbs in total weight? The same rules apply to Injectables as they do orals or PH/DS...namely you gain some muscle, some water, some fat, some glycogen, etc. I think Injectables are superior in every aspect (besides the legality unless on TRT) but muscle is muscle whether it's made natty, on testosterone, on trenbolone, or Hdrol. There is no difference in the muscle itself but with Injectables you can build more muscle in a quicker time period primarily bc you can run much higher dosages without killing your liver and you can run those dosages much much longer.

 

[Noob84]

@Carnivor protein: I use the chocolate version as a substitute for casein shakes at night when I am too full to eat sometimes.

@Dre: Ok, so if muscle is muscle and there are no differences in "quality" regardless of how you gained it, then it stands to reason, that given clean diet and proper training, someone gaining 15 lbs on "roids" vs someone gaining 15 lbs on PHs have made the same progress, agreed?

 

[DreDay187]

@Carnivor protein: I use the chocolate version as a substitute for casein shakes at night when I am too full to eat sometimes.

@Dre: Ok, so if muscle is muscle and there are no differences in "quality" regardless of how you gained it, then it stands to reason, that given clean diet and proper training, someone gaining 15 lbs on "roids" vs someone gaining 15 lbs on PHs have made the same progress, agreed?

Not quite. If you don't use an AI with aromatizing compounds that weight gain will be a LOT of water weight. Different compounds will activate different cellular receptors differently and the transcription process can be vastly different. One compound may promote protein synthesis more than another, etc. Differences in the composition of those 15lbs can still exist. One may be 2lbs muscle, 4lbs fat, 8lbs water, 1lb glycogen while the other maybe 3lbs msucle, 6lbs fat, 2lbs glycogen, 4lbs water <------extremely hypothetical numbers lol. Just to show my point.

I know what you're trying to get at though. Given that all else is equal, 15lbs of MUSCLE built with roids will be equal to 15lbs of muscle built with PHs. You can't say 15lbs of body weight bc the composition of it maybe different.

Oral steroids are actually more potent on a mg for my basis. I won't deny that but the difference is like I said before, you cannot run 600mg/wk of drol for instance. It will kill you and your liver. You can however run triple that amount in testosterone and do so safely.

 

[Noob84]

Yes, dosages are low due to the conversion / liver etc. However, no beginner in their right mind would run 1800 mg/wk of test.
Hence, after all the research I have done, it still seems as though PHs would be a viable choice for beginners.

 

[DreDay187]

Yes, dosages are low due to the conversion / liver etc. However, no beginner in their right mind would run 1800 mg/wk of test.
Hence, after all the research I have done, it still seems as though PHs would be a viable choice for beginners.

Why not? We had one who was about to pin 2500mg a week just today or yesterday lol.

I'm not saying it's not an option, it is, is it the best/optimal/safest/etc...no. Why do you not consider Injectables/roids a viable option?

 

[Noob84]

Because illegal.
And because I see a lot of posts that show comparable gains to legal orals. So why bother?

 

[DreDay187]

Because illegal.
And because I see a lot of posts that show comparable gains to legal orals. So why bother?

They're safer for one. Gains aren't truly comparable when taking into account the dosages you'd ralisitsly use.

The legality is the only upside lol. I know you're going to use Phs anyway but I hope at least you realize they're not better or comparable in many respects. Some also experience extreme lethargy and many other sides of low test. You might be lucky and not get them but you'd be the exception not the rule. I wish you a safe cycle regardless buddy, whatever path you choose.

 

[Noob84]

I am on my 6th week of a Halo cycle...
No sides.

 

[ChaseTheYoke]

I am on my 6th week of a Halo cycle...
No sides.

Again just stating my experience, but I had minimal or any atrophy on hdrol. I remember thinking they might be smaller but also thinking I was being paranoid. So it wasn't really noticeable physically and my libido was actually through the roof throughout the whole cycle. Perhaps placebo? Perhaps not? At this time I had zero knowledge on steroids other than it makes your balls shrink... and actually thought I should be more horny since my "test" was higher. The mind is a powerful thing I guess.

 

[Noob84]

Nut size is kinda hard to measure. LOL
But mine are definitely down in size...

 

[Black Beard]

Up to you Baby.