Do you think my T will come down even more if I eliminate AI?

[2rude4u]

I understand you see my Free Test at 26 pmol/L and subsequently see my E2 at 75 pmol/L
Will the ratio ever balance out?
Is there something I need to take? how bout supplements?
The docs wont treat it cause the E2 technically falls into the "Normal" range
I'm not sure where you are from Rude....but in the U.S. I've heard of E2 being measure in PG/ML
As well....do you need to have breast tenderness and puffy nipples to develop gyno?? can these high E2 levels bring Gyno to me?

If you have permanently damaged your ability to produce natty test the chances are very slim that everything will "balance out" on its own. And you don't need a doc to access everything you need to help yourself. A knowledgable endo should be your first choice, but if you cannot find or access one you can learn everything you need to know here.

Also, reducing your estro significantly will increase your test levels across the board if done properly. Probably not to a normal level, but you may get extremely lucky.

 

[Alpin]

If you have permanently damaged your ability to produce natty test the chances are very slim that everything will "balance out" on its own. And you don't need a doc to access everything you need to help yourself. A knowledgable endo should be your first choice, but if you cannot find or access one you can learn everything you need to know here.

Also, reducing your estro significantly will increase your test levels across the board if done properly. Probably not to a normal level, but you may get extremely lucky.

I hear you...but I have been using ADEX as a mono protocol since stopping testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) last June 2012. I was taking it 0.25 mg E2D...just within last month or so I moved it up to E3D....
it is obviously not making me produce more T or lowering my E2...
The doc referred me to an endo he knows...doesn't mean he knows what he is doing. I searched for his name on line and can not even find a listing for his office. WTF??

 

[Alpin]

You did fuck yourself. The doc gave you a script and you decided to use it. He didn't hold you down while his nurse pinned your glute, right?

You were given a set of facts and permitted to make your own decision. The decision you made was testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Now you have issues and want to say it was the doctors fault.

Why didn't you research before, instead of after? I sure the hell did!

Had you done so you would have known that test levels can vary significantly from day-to-day and also depending on time of day. You say your test was 520, but it was 582 just 2 months earlier. The next morning it may have been 630.

Yes, TT 582 ng/dl in July 2009....(natural...was off everything for many months)
TT was 520 ng/dl in Sept 2009 (Resumed Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono protocol in August 2009)
then testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc saw the %20 ng/dl on blood work and said it was "LOW"....and to start T shots..

 

[Alpin]

I was just using the conversion calculator on ENDMEMO.com
Converting Pmol/L----->Nmol/L
I had the following results.
If converting my E2 from Pmol/L (E2 is 75 Pmol/L) to Nmol/L
I get a result of 0.075 Nmol/L for my E2
My Total T is: 10.1 Nmol/L
Where is the in balance?

T.T.= 10.1 Nmol/L
E2= 0.075 Nmol/L

 

[Alpin]

If we convert E2 from Pmol/L ------>Pg/ML
we get the following results:
Take for example my E2 level of 75 pmol/L it converts to: 20.43 Pg/ML

 

[Alpin]

Let's say I find an Endo that will treat me with clomid for a while to see what happens...
it would theoretically jack up my E2 levels....
maybe gyno could be an issue?

 

[Austinite]

Hi, Apollon

 

[Alpin]

Hi, Apollon

Hi

 

[2rude4u]

If we convert E2 from Pmol/L ------>Pg/ML
we get the following results:
Take for example my E2 level of 75 pmol/L it converts to: 20.43 Pg/ML

You can convert all you want, but you will still have the same results. Your estro is middle of the range and your test is low, either way you go.

Converting into a different standard of measurement, does not magically correct your situation. I don't care if you turn it into a calculus equation, you still have high estro and low test.

 

[2rude4u]

Yes, TT 582 ng/dl in July 2009....(natural...was off everything for many months)
TT was 520 ng/dl in Sept 2009 (Resumed Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono protocol in August 2009)
then testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc saw the %20 ng/dl on blood work and said it was "LOW"....and to start T shots..

Your doctor should have his nuts crushed with rusty plyers if that's the case. He should have known better.

Was this an real doc or a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc?

 

[Alpin]

Your doctor should have his nuts crushed with rusty plyers if that's the case. He should have known better.

Was this an real doc or a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc?

TRT clinic: "Anti aging". Mainstream Endo did not touch anything when I went in to see one and I had Low FSH too....no clomid no nothing to bring up my FSH.
He told me using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on T shots would keep my sperm count up and I wouldn't have problems. I never used it for 2.5 years while on TRT....
I have his comments on my lab work he circled them and said "LOW, we must put him on Testosterone"....and the T.T was 520 ng/dl for that Test.

I would always bounce back T wise if using the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono protocols....but doing the T for that period of time messed me up.
Can this guy get in trouble for this?
The entire underlying cause was "Highly Severe Sleep Apnea".....
I would have been golden if I had treatment with CPAP and not messing with this testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc.

 

[Alpin]

This E2 blood work was done last week....
all these months my family doc said E2 was not necessary to test for....
It's because of this fucking family doc I had for not sending me to a sleep study that I sought answers to a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) clinic on my own....


I haven't taken any ADEX since last week and I'm starting to feel like shit....
can barely workout.

 

[Alpin]

My nuts have decreased in size slightly since last week, the little libido I had is going too since cutting ADEX out...
noticed I'm carrying a little more water too....
felt really tired today and no energy to work out.
Left another message for family doc today(office is closed) requesting an immediate visit.
He won't prescribe anything...but even if he doesn't he's digging himself deeper too..by ignoring me.
Thinking of filing a complaint with medical board on all these clowns.
This testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc many years ago wrote a follow up letter to my family doc(another family doc) saying I used AAS....so it is on paper...
but I never told him I injected anything....for all they know I used Andro....it was legal back then

 

[clman8585]

Stay away from doctors. Why the fuck do you need a doc for a restart? Just do it yourself..the way YOU want to..open /shut case.

 

[Alpin]

Looks like 500 i.u. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Monday, Thursday shots are coming....
I can't even feel my dick today!!!
0.5 mg ADEX M*W*F...if joints are sore will knock it down to 0.25 mg ADEX
Fuck them all!!!!!

 

[Alpin]

If my E2 levels are at 75 pmol/L and I'm taking 0.25 mg of ADEX E3D.
I notice my joints are very slightly bothered while using ADEX...not a lot...but very slightly.
The answer is not continuing ADEX or even increasing the ADEX, because if I'm experiencing aching joints with 0.25 mg of ADEX E3D...means my E2 is relatively lowered to some degree....
This is a complicated mess.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would need another compound to lower E2...do I not?

 

[2rude4u]

If my E2 levels are at 75 pmol/L and I'm taking 0.25 mg of ADEX E3D.
I notice my joints are very slightly bothered while using ADEX...not a lot...but very slightly.
The answer is not continuing ADEX or even increasing the ADEX, because if I'm experiencing aching joints with 0.25 mg of ADEX E3D...means my E2 is relatively lowered to some degree....
This is a complicated mess.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would need another compound to lower E2...do I not?

How can you have been a member since 2005 and not understand your situation?

Personally I think your choice of Adex is a mistake for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), since that isn't what you need, but if you're going to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at least switch up to Aromasin.

If you are not going to seek professional help, then I would suggest that you run PCT including Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and see what happens. It's either that or testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), your choice.

 

[Austinite]

I like it when 2rude4u comes around

 

[2rude4u]

I like it when 2rude4u comes around

Thanks bro... same here. When you come around I usually learn something new.

I'll try to restrain myself so I don't get another time-out, but it's becoming difficult

 

[Alpin]

Personally I think your choice of Adex is a mistake for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), since that isn't what you need, but if you're going to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at least switch up to Aromasin.

If you are not going to seek professional help, then I would suggest that you run PCT including Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and see what happens. It's either that or testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), your choice.

Give me some ideas...
I'm hearing you....
Looks like you know some stuff....
I believe you.
If I don't take that mild dose of ADEX after a week I feel horrible....