Do you think one of them is using gear pt. 2

halfwit said:
Except I don't want my lats or delts involved with a shrug. I'm isolating the trapezius muscle and while I do agree that I lose the assisting muscle stimulation to maintain balance; I do have other exercises for them. In fact, I'd dare to say that a SMITH machine (ohhhhh shit, see what I did there?) may even do a better job than a free standing barbell just for the purposes of isolation as you're able to focus on just that muscle. Of course hand strength does come into play, but I refuse to wear straps. :p

Hmm, if you like sand - it's time to bust out the broken glass! :D
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OMG BROSCIENCE! I'd like to add doing shrugs behind the back on the smith is 100 times better than free standing. I'd kill myself if I did heavy shrugs behind the back with a free bar.
This argument is invalid. What about DB shrugs? That also takes out the additional free movements that a barbell would have, same with a trap bar, or those hammer strength shrug machines.
 
CptFKNplanet said:
OMG BROSCIENCE! I'd like to add doing shrugs behind the back on the smith is 100 times better than free standing. I'd kill myself if I did heavy shrugs behind the back with a free bar.
This argument is invalid. What about DB shrugs? That also takes out the additional free movements that a barbell would have, same with a trap bar, or those hammer strength shrug machines.
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I can't do db shrugs. We don't have heavy enough ones for me to play with. :(

I wonder how heavy db's go nowadays. I remember seeing 135 pounders back in the day, but I don't remember seeing anything higher. 150? 200?
 
Man, fuck ya'll. I'm gonna start doing squats, bench, deads, OHP, curls, rows, lateral raises, leg press, AND dips n pullups on the smith.
 
Yep, theres a video of Coleman out there pressing 200's.
My gym has DB's that go up to at least 150. I'm not 100% but I think they top out at 175/each.

200's look pretty damned ridiculous:
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halfwit said:
I can't do db shrugs. We don't have heavy enough ones for me to play with. :(

I wonder how heavy db's go nowadays. I remember seeing 135 pounders back in the day, but I don't remember seeing anything higher. 150? 200?
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I meant it as part of my argument as to why the smith is valid for shrugs. I'll also add that I use straps during my smith shrugs. I'm not going to limit my traps because my forearms fail. Plus it helps keep the bar from locking mid shrug. I HATE THAT SHIT. And no I don't use straps for deads, and yes I hit forearms directly.

I've seen them up to 200. I'm sure they go higher than that though.
 
CptFKNplanet said:
Yeah I'm just gonna pretend that I know what it's like to pick up 500 lbs. Hahaha. I've been using the leg press again for a while now as well. I can't go that heavy anymore though. I'm short so I have to keep my feet near the base otherwise I can't unlock it lol. I also try to go deeper and wider than I used to, so it's a lot more difficult. Back in the day I got up to 900 for half reps. Now I'm doin 640 with much better form.
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Yeah, I have to be very careful at that weight on the sled as I can literally bruise my ribs when my quads come into contact with my chest. As I can't do squats (knees suck), that's pretty much the only way I can see building up my leg muscles enough to hopefully be able to force my knees into staying in the socket. Something I used to do when trying to compete in deadlift as a younger guy was that I'd intentionally try to lift more than I knew I could. Once you get a feel for that weight (even with assistance), it's far less scary. The only thing that sucks is when your grip strength just can't hold the weight anymore. I used to do a lot of forearm work and hand exercises (spring loaded grips anyone?) to help, but eventually you have to use straps as even chalk doesn't cut it.

CptFKNplanet said:
Man, fuck ya'll. I'm gonna start doing squats, bench, deads, OHP, curls, rows, lateral raises, leg press, AND dips n pullups on the smith.
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Hahaha. When I see folks doing dips/pullups on the smith, my blood begins to boil. I've always wanted to try curls on the smith, but I think it would just be too awkward. As I can curl 250 on the preacher machine (yeah, I know - but I do my concentration/hammers with db's. :p), I'd love to know what I can do with an actual barbell again. Used to do 225 back in high school, but my tendons aren't nearly as strong anymore.

Damn, I can't wait to hop on deca.

71Avido said:
Yep, theres a video of Coleman out there pressing 200's.
My gym has DB's that go up to at least 150. I'm not 100% but I think they top out at 175/each.

200's look pretty damned ridiculous:
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Holy shit. That is INSANE looking! I would NOT want to do that without a spotter! As I've taken my fair share of dumbbells to the face, I can't imagine what that would do to the noggin! :eek:
 
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