Does AAS use make us more likely to CHEAT on wife or GF?

[Moppy1]

dude. look.... if u live close to NYC or any big city like that, u will hardly meet a person who have never cheated on their loved ones with or without aas (IMO). I do see ppl trying to justify some crazy shit while on aas but honestly their is no justification for cheating because of aas.

I live in the midwest and people are more conservative here. Not as much cheating, though still plenty of it going on. AAS is not justification for cheating or even aggressive behavior. We ultimately can over-ride these biological influences given our intellects.....if indeed high test levels for extended periods of time does predispose to behavioral inclinations (which the scientific evidence from lower mammals supports), but ultimately it is our decision. Only point that this tread seems to have garnered support for, is the conclusion that people who to use AAS, for whatever reason, have more of the characteristics necessary to step out (weather it is being mentally effed up as "Userat204" suggested, type A personalities as "grind4it" suggested, nerd effect and getting noticed for the first time later in life when the muscles come in, mentality of wanting more out of life, mentality that we are above the law, etc, etc).

 

[HDV]

You are right, cheating is dishonesty and it is wrong, no matter what the reasons, especially if you are married. However, there are no absolutes in life. One of my 40 year old+ buddies has been married for 15+ years, and his marriage has changed over the years to the point where he and his wife are no longer really in love, nor do they have sex, but they have kids and financially cannot afford to divorce. Not my place to judge him after he stepped out and sought love in the arms of another. Life is complicated, and while he was wrong, he made a choice to not just give up on all that life had to offer. Many other scenarios as well that married people find themselves in later in life. The statistics are that over 50% of marriages fail, and more than 50% of those have infidelity, so this shit is real and it happens to almost everyone. Just saying dont judge hence you might one day be judged....trust me dude. Being in my mid 40s and having lots of friends, I have seen almost everything related to relationships over the past 2 decades, both guys on AAS and not, as well as hardliners like yourself.....and anyone can succumb. AAS guys do seem more likely to cheat though....guarantee it if there was a way to conduct a scientific social survey.

This is just a discussion and no hard feelings towards anyone my replies are just my views and I respect all others but,

Sorry bud your mate should of had the balls to approach his wife and talk openly about seeing others if thats the case. If there is no love in the relationship cool I get it but break it off before you go sniffing around for the next meal ticket or have a mutual decision made between both partners to see other people in their financial situation.

You don't play with people's hearts it's not right!!!

Yes life is full of surprises and the only constant is change but to this day I have been the loyal man in all my relationships and I will die that way!!!

Word!!! NO one will shake me off my ground!!!

 

[HDV]

dude. look.... if u live close to NYC or any big city like that, u will hardly meet a person who have never cheated on their loved ones with or without aas (IMO). I do see ppl trying to justify some crazy shit while on aas but honestly their is no justification for cheating because of aas.

Agreed!

 

[Moppy1]

This is just a discussion and no hard feelings towards anyone my replies are just my views and I respect all others but,

Sorry bud your mate should of had the balls to approach his wife and talk openly about seeing others if thats the case. If there is no love in the relationship cool I get it but break it off before you go sniffing around for the next meal ticket or have a mutual decision made between both partners to see other people in their financial situation.

You don't play with people's hearts it's not right!!!

Yes life is full of surprises and the only constant is change but to this day I have been the loyal man in all my relationships and I will die that way!!!

Word!!! NO one will shake me off my ground!!!

This is just a discussion and I agree, no hard feelings. But, the fact is that most people seek a soft landing before divorcing or moving on, hence why more than 50% of all marriages that end have infidelity. It is human nature......When most relationships are spent, ruined, or otherwise crumbling, people actively seek a soft landing, which means infidelity. Of course there are hurt feelings and ruined lives. That comes with divorce anyways.

You should be proud of yourself for being loyal. I totally agree it is the high road and best path. Stick with it bro, the dark side leaves you changed for life.....cant go back and recapture purity once it is lost.

 

[HDV]

in the essence of all this I also understand that not everyone is as strong willed as the next but regardless of any reason it boils down to a desicion one makes as you put it you either walk the pure path or the dark side.

 

[Harnold]

I may get shit for this but whatever, I've never cheated in my life, but my current gf is... well... her sex drive is very low. When we started dating it was no problem, but after 6 months, it was bad. I would get it maybe twice in a 3 wk time period, imagine being on cycle and having to deal with that shit. I've talked to her about it many times, until one day I told her if she doesnt fix her problem I will not think twice if the opportunity rises with someone else. I think that got her attention pretty well since things have been better. But my point is, I think it has to do with the situation you're in.

if it was low in the first place, it will drift back down brother, she won't maintain it, I should know, I married one. she will keep it going for awhile, but then it's like her mother is in the room watching or something, you get stonewalled....lol

 

[Moppy1]

if it was low in the first place, it will drift back down brother, she won't maintain it, I should know, I married one. she will keep it going for awhile, but then it's like her mother is in the room watching or something, you get stonewalled....lol

Rub some test-gel on her back each night in her sleep (5 mg). 1-2 weeks later she will be jumping on your pole non-stop! Makes a women's libido go through the roof

 

[Kyle27]

also here is what I wrote on the other thread:


but then I think about how good it is to have someone who understands me so well so I keep it in my pants. It's a balance, I have spent 4 years of my life trying to build something with another woman why the hell would I want to throw that away and waste my goddamn time on a stupid impulse that can be easily controled? But then again, it's a fact, most couples are unhappy together and at one point they even forget what they promised to each other on the day they got married.

Exactly, I don't understand cheating... I've had girls try to flirt and shit with me while I had a fiance and I made it clear I wasn't interested in anything but what I got.. but then she went and cheated on me when I was out of town haha never understand cheaters but like what was said, if someones gonna cheat then it'll happen, male or female, gear or no gear...

 

[Kyle27]

One of my 40 year old+ buddies has been married for 15+ years, and his marriage has changed over the years to the point where he and his wife are no longer really in love, nor do they have sex, but they have kids and financially cannot afford to divorce. Not my place to judge him after he stepped out and sought love in the arms of another.

How I see it when the grass looks greener on the other side, it's time to water your own fucking grass... There are so many statistics out there and as a psychologist I've heard them all... the fact of the matter is people just get bored, settled, caught up with work and kids, and in the craziness of all of it forget to spend 1 on 1 time with each other and become strangers... people get lazy and don't want to try because it is hard work and sometimes it's easier just to "find a new yard" than repair the years of neglect and damage... people should remember the vows they made and do everything possible even when it's not easy, or don't take the vows in the first place. There is never a justification or reason to cheat... just my opinion.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Personal observation I have been kicking around in my head for years. I am in my 40s as are most of my buddies. All the ones that do AAS have also cheated on their wives or GFs, while almost as a rule the non-AAS friends dont. Do you think AAS contributes? Maybe it is related to opportunity cause most AAS users have awesome bodies. Or, maybe it is related to a general liberal life attitude that most AAS users seem to have. Biologically, all the extra test might make us more sexually aggressive as well, as shown in animal studies, hence more desire to tap as much strange as possible. I really do think there is link between extended AAS usage and promiscuity.

Its like saying its the boozes fault you drove drunk. Or well.
Sorry I dont agree with you.
I am Horney ALL the time, and ready to go. Could go every day 2-3X if she let me, and thats on just Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). On cycle its a bit worse.
And I have been with her for 6 years. Sadly dont have sex often ( 2-4 times a month) and have not cheated on her.
Yes I want to be with girls, I LOVE WOMEN!
But I think it comes down to integrity, and you either have it or you dont. AAS doesnt change that!
It is no excuse.
Go watch porn daily if you need to but don't blame it on AAS.


Just my op

 

[Moppy1]

How I see it when the grass looks greener on the other side, it's time to water your own fucking grass... There are so many statistics out there and as a psychologist I've heard them all... the fact of the matter is people just get bored, settled, caught up with work and kids, and in the craziness of all of it forget to spend 1 on 1 time with each other and become strangers... people get lazy and don't want to try because it is hard work and sometimes it's easier just to "find a new yard" than repair the years of neglect and damage... people should remember the vows they made and do everything possible even when it's not easy, or don't take the vows in the first place. There is never a justification or reason to cheat... just my opinion.

Well stated Kyle.

 

[Moppy1]

Its like saying its the boozes fault you drove drunk. Or well.
Sorry I dont agree with you.
I am Horney ALL the time, and ready to go. Could go every day 2-3X if she let me, and thats on just Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). On cycle its a bit worse.
And I have been with her for 6 years. Sadly dont have sex often ( 2-4 times a month) and have not cheated on her.
Yes I want to be with girls, I LOVE WOMEN!
But I think it comes down to integrity, and you either have it or you dont. AAS doesnt change that!
It is no excuse.
Go watch porn daily if you need to but don't blame it on AAS.


Just my op

Women are intoxicating, juice or no juice. But life changes us, both you and your spouse (GF) and after 10-20 years, sometimes it is time to call it quits, for so many potential reasons. What if she becomes a drunk or hard core meth user, or she acquires a serious mental illnesss, etc, etc, etc. You just never know how life evolves and what will happen long term in a relationship. Then you start to question if this is still the person for you, and if you should move on, about the same time as some new opportunity comes along, and viola! You are technically cheating because in your heart you want to move on and find some one else that will fill the void. THis is different than just being bored, or seeing the grass as greener, etc. Just life. I used to say the same things as all you guys with the same rigid standards and black and white perspective till I witnessed how all some of friends relationships went after 20 years of marriage. Just saying it is often way more complicated.

 

[Sir Anabolic]

Good topic here. I know for me it does! I just want to nail the shit out of girls. Tits, check, ass check. Ok, I want to have sex with her!

 

[tesseract]

Women are intoxicating, juice or no juice. But life changes us, both you and your spouse (GF) and after 10-20 years, sometimes it is time to call it quits, for so many potential reasons. What if she becomes a drunk or hard core meth user, or she acquires a serious mental illnesss, etc, etc, etc. You just never know how life evolves and what will happen long term in a relationship. Then you start to question if this is still the person for you, and if you should move on, about the same time as some new opportunity comes along, and viola! You are technically cheating because in your heart you want to move on and find some one else that will fill the void. THis is different than just being bored, or seeing the grass as greener, etc. Just life. I used to say the same things as all you guys with the same rigid standards and black and white perspective till I witnessed how all some of friends relationships went after 20 years of marriage. Just saying it is often way more complicated.

What if this, and what if that? So many what ifs so little action, if I had spent my whole life asking stupid questions I would have not gotten anywhere, everything pertains a risk. If my girlfriend becomes a "hard core meth user" I will fucking try to help her and fucking hold her goddamn hand, that is being partners with somebody, ofcourse partnerships can dissolve but you got to work on them to keep them up. If your relationship is great then just thank your lucky stars, enjoy the ride and watch your "friends relationships" dissolve, offer them your best advice in case they ask you. It is kind of funny to look at an AAS user and ask the "what ifs" on a relationship but won't take 2 seconds to think what he may be injecting and potential what if consequences of anabolics. Someone mentioned that AAS users are Type A males, nope they are usually (not 100% of the time) Type A pussies and messes of insecure and complexed people.

Edit: basing myself on my entourage, i do not know you dudes.

 

[Moppy1]

What if this, and what if that? So many what ifs so little action, if I had spent my whole life asking stupid questions I would have not gotten anywhere, everything pertains a risk. If my girlfriend becomes a "hard core meth user" I will fucking try to help her and fucking hold her goddamn hand, that is being partners with somebody, ofcourse partnerships can dissolve but you got to work on them to keep them up. If your relationship is great then just thank your lucky stars, enjoy the ride and watch your "friends relationships" dissolve, offer them your best advice in case they ask you. It is kind of funny to look at an AAS user and ask the "what ifs" on a relationship but won't take 2 seconds to think what he may be injecting and potential what if consequences of anabolics. Someone mentioned that AAS users are Type A males, nope they are usually (not 100% of the time) Type A pussies and messes of insecure and complexed people.

Edit: basing myself on my entourage, i do not know you dudes.

No clue what you just said. I did pick up on your idea of the "what if" and the notion that you stick it out no matter what. No what ifs at all, simple truth is that more than half of all marriages end in divorce. And more non-married, committed relationships are lost than marriages. Plain and simple!!!! Clearly more than half of all people are incapable of maintaining a relationship longterm, so higher moral platitudes of "make it work at any cost" is not what happens in western society. Or you can bury your head in the sand and tell yourself that no one cheats and that all relationships have to survive long term regardless of the the known circumstances that underlie half of them failing.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Women are intoxicating, juice or no juice. But life changes us, both you and your spouse (GF) and after 10-20 years, sometimes it is time to call it quits, for so many potential reasons. What if she becomes a drunk or hard core meth user, or she acquires a serious mental illnesss, etc, etc, etc. You just never know how life evolves and what will happen long term in a relationship. Then you start to question if this is still the person for you, and if you should move on, about the same time as some new opportunity comes along, and viola! You are technically cheating because in your heart you want to move on and find some one else that will fill the void. THis is different than just being bored, or seeing the grass as greener, etc. Just life. I used to say the same things as all you guys with the same rigid standards and black and white perspective till I witnessed how all some of friends relationships went after 20 years of marriage. Just saying it is often way more complicated.

WELL PUT!....
but these things do need to be talked about and delt with sooner than later.
I have felt that boat my man! and i have looked over the fence! even stuck my arm over the fence once. (worst feeling ever)
It sucks when you feel they need you more then they need themselfs and you feel like you cant leave them because you still care/love for them, but that it is just not like before, or you are worried they might hurt them selfs form being super depressed and always having got the short end of the stick through life!

I feel you.
but still I hang on and deal with it. either will make the relation ship stronger , or it will be done anyway.
I understand not everything is black and white.
but for the most part I feel its wrong and people like to make excuses to sleep at night.
Mental illness (depression) is the worst of it! and I am still dealing with things, but will love and support her till I am done here on earth (atleast this version of it), and atleast I hope my life helped anothers.
but at the same time I understand you need ot take care of yourself also... so its hard man... I know! :-(

 

[juced_porkchop]

No clue what you just said. I did pick up on your idea of the "what if" and the notion that you stick it out no matter what. No what ifs at all, simple truth is that more than half of all marriages end in divorce. And more non-married, committed relationships are lost than marriages. Plain and simple!!!! Clearly more than half of all people are incapable of maintaining a relationship longterm, so higher moral platitudes of "make it work at any cost" is not what happens in western society. Or you can bury your head in the sand and tell yourself that no one cheats and that all relationships have to survive long term regardless of the the known circumstances that underlie half of them failing.

They can regardless of the issues in my op IF and ONLY IF both sides are trying.
Depens how much you love the person and the issues going on though, I agree

 

[mlupi319]

It sucks when you feel they need you more then they need themselfs and you feel like you cant leave them because you still care/love for them, but that it is just not like before, or you are worried they might hurt them selfs form being super depressed and always having got the short end of the stick through life!

Mental illness (depression) is the worst of it! and I am still dealing with things, but will love and support her till I am done here on earth (atleast this version of it), and atleast I hope my life helped anothers.
but at the same time I understand you need ot take care of yourself also... so its hard man... I know! :-(

Ya I know what you mean. My first serious relationship went to shit because she got deppressed and I thought she just wasn't in love with me anymore..I mean shit the girl was beautiful, had a great family, money, was smart..I never thought someone who should have no real complaints could be severely deppressed... Anyways I walked out on her not knowing her problems weren't with me.. still to this day idk if I made the right descision...her being deppressed drained the life outta me, shit was fucked up.

As far as cheatin on girls, I can stay pretty good regardless of gear or not. I went through a phase of nailing every hot girl I could find when I was 19-21 (wasn't on gear)...shit got old quick..

 

[Shane1974]

Actually, when I was in grad school I remember reading a study that involved injecting males with testosterone and showing pictures of nude chics to them. The control group (those who DID NOT get any test) had the harder time focusing on one woman. They just kept flipping through all the pics, incapable of settling on one woman. The men who were injected focused on one woman. The conclusion was that there was a correlation between higher testosterone and monogamy.

 

[pbfanatic321]

If you're a bitch you will cheat on your wife/gf. AAS has nothing to do with it.