Does abusing natural testosterone booster result in low T?

[andyctd]

I ask this because I started gettin back into training and took test boosters, 19 anabol testo USN and/or M.sten i started abusing them because obviously the feel of a boosted testosterone is addictive, i think with 19 anabol testo u are meant to take 4 once or twice a day and i was takin 6 twice a day (12 in total) and with M.stem is says take 1 a day, i took 2 i was normally taking one rather than the other. it also says you should only use for a month, i took them for a few months straight and then it got to the point where they didnt even seem to be working, and my remedy for a sex drive would be 6 pills of 19 anabol testo and a jelly viagra, without the test boosters i had no desire to have sex and pretty much avoided it. After like getting ED whilst on viagra and test boosters i though enough was enough and got a testosterone blood test which came back a very low 6.7 n/mol (180-190nd/mol american i think) i have since taken steps to try and restart my HPTA axis you can read my whole thread http://www.steroidology.com/forum/t...ter-steroids-blood-work-done-please-help.html its quite interesting and youll know what ive done to this point, my question is do you think natural test boosters might of caused a shutdown, my test was probably kinda low anyway but ive never had the urge to get my testosterone checked beforehand so it must of dropped considerably (and stayed that ways for ~2months after stopping test boosters) i have bein doin poWer PCT since

thanks guys
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[casanovaaa]

you should get blod works done to check your levels as it will affect your own natural test levels if not properly administered and monitored.

 

[andyctd]

I have been doing my bloods they're all in the link I posted

 

[Slhardee]

You need complete blood work done to find out if your HPTA is shut down or compromised. Testosterone Free and total are only a snapshot of the entire picture. To answer your question, it is more than possible to have an unregulated supplement affect your HPTA and your Test levels.

 

[Mycelium]

Yes they can mess with your body. People can tend to under estimate "natural" ********. If they are actually effective then you were manipulating your HPTA. If they weren't they could still have other side effects. If you exceeded the recommended dose and exceeded the recommend time . . . .

Nutmeg can kill you from an OD. Don't underestimate plants or "natural" ********. Some "natural" ******** have went through extraction and concentration. Cocaine is "natural". Chew some coca leaves and your good. Some simple steps and you have "100x whole plant extract". Well . . . It's natural yeah. But you start putting a tablespoon in every cup of coffee and you're basically just using crappy coke.

 

[scorob777]

Yeah, natural is a funny statement. Aresenic and mercury are natural, as is snake venom - which is also organic. All can be very toxic for you.

I tried to look up 19 anabol testo, and couldn't even see what it is. The marketing hype is too thick to even get to see a chemical structure. That M.sten looks like it could be a potent chemical, not really any different from others considered anabolic steroids.

Yes they can shut you down hard, or cause lasting damage, or maybe result in sides like gyno, etc.

 

[IMT staff]

Yea sounds like pro hormones. These are just old formulas that didn't work as good and gave more side effects than the real thing. The leftovers from when they were trying to synthesize T. One of those sides could be suppression, and we as a company have seen hundreds of men with worse T levels from pro hormones in comparison to AAS.

 

[andyctd]

You need complete blood work done to find out if your HPTA is shut down or compromised. Testosterone Free and total are only a snapshot of the entire picture. To answer your question, it is more than possible to have an unregulated supplement affect your HPTA and your Test levels.

i have provided a complete blood work. please see link!

 

[andyctd]

Yeah, natural is a funny statement. Aresenic and mercury are natural, as is snake venom - which is also organic. All can be very toxic for you.

I tried to look up 19 anabol testo, and couldn't even see what it is. The marketing hype is too thick to even get to see a chemical structure. That M.sten looks like it could be a potent chemical, not really any different from others considered anabolic steroids.

Yes they can shut you down hard, or cause lasting damage, or maybe result in sides like gyno, etc.

hmm maybe thats what happened then, i was pretty much using them to get a sex drive by the end. Now i hadnt done any in months and im about 34 days through the poWer PCT. Only using 20mg of nolva now and my sex drive has dropped again, however if i take this protein shake that has testboosters in after the gym my sex drive rockets. Am i gonna be stuck on test boosters to get the feel i want or what lol

 

[Mycelium]

Quit taking testoserone boosters. I have no proof but if a protein shake with some supplements gets your sex drive going I would say it's placebo effect. Put the over the counter crap DOWN.

 

[andyctd]

Quit taking testoserone boosters. I have no proof but if a protein shake with some supplements gets your sex drive going I would say it's placebo effect. Put the over the counter crap DOWN.

it is 100% not a placebo effect

 

[andyctd]

i dont know whether Im naturally low T and need some sort of boost to feel normal, or im just fucked from my cycles

 

[andyctd]

ive now started takin zinc, magnesium, ginseng, tribulus terrestis, horney goat weed n a few others to try and help the situation

 

[Mycelium]

The placebo effect is 100% real. Its so real we have to have double blind placebo controlled studies.

You do what you're gonna do. You are all over the place. I have to go back and reread your threads to even keep up.

All you need is a balanced diet and to stay with one thing.

It's like you abuse Sudafed. Now your depressed because you abused them. You are on an antidepressant but keep taking energy shots because you're not happy enough.

 

[Mycelium]

I went on TRT and changed 1 thing . . .I eat more. If something is off I only look at my TRT or what I'm eating. Not my TRT and 5 different supplements. Youvare where you are from popping these things. It seems you didn't learn your lesson.

 

[scorob777]

ive now started takin zinc, magnesium, ginseng, tribulus terrestis, horney goat weed n a few others to try and help the situation

Those should all be ok, except perhaps the tribulus. I did a few bullshit tribulus cycles back before I got into the real thing, and always ended up with acne and feeling like shit after about 6 weeks. Horney goat weed has a PDE5 inhibitor in it, similar in effect to cialis or viagra.

In your protein shake do you know if it has l-arginine or l-citrulline in it? Or b-alanine? These all boost nitric oxide, which can get things moving down there.

 

[andyctd]

The placebo effect is 100% real. Its so real we have to have double blind placebo controlled studies.

You do what you're gonna do. You are all over the place. I have to go back and reread your threads to even keep up.

All you need is a balanced diet and to stay with one thing.

It's like you abuse Sudafed. Now your depressed because you abused them. You are on an antidepressant but keep taking energy shots because you're not happy enough.

its not placebo. if it was placebo it would be.. oh ive got low test im gonna take test boosters wow they work.

But it wasnt like that it took me a couple of weeks to realise i only had a high sex drive, no ED on days where i had gone to the gym and taken that protein.

so no its not placebo

 

[andyctd]

Those should all be ok, except perhaps the tribulus. I did a few bullshit tribulus cycles back before I got into the real thing, and always ended up with acne and feeling like shit after about 6 weeks. Horney goat weed has a PDE5 inhibitor in it, similar in effect to cialis or viagra.

In your protein shake do you know if it has l-arginine or l-citrulline in it? Or b-alanine? These all boost nitric oxide, which can get things moving down there.

Is tribulus no good then? i thought that was meant to be good its my first time buyin it, im lookin to get some ashwangda as well thats meanna be good right.. yeah it has l-arginine in it and l-alanine not b. I think l-arginine might be one of the other supplements i bought as well. I also have been taking viagra everyday for about 2-3months

 

[andyctd]

I went on TRT and changed 1 thing . . .I eat more. If something is off I only look at my TRT or what I'm eating. Not my TRT and 5 different supplements. Youvare where you are from popping these things. It seems you didn't learn your lesson.

So youre sayin i got a complete shut down from zinc and magnesium? I was taking test boosters before, this time i just took protein which had zinc n magnesium n other testboosting things in it, unintentionally it was just the only protein i had to hand at the time

 

[Mycelium]

No I'm saying limit variables.

I'm at point A with problems.

I change 5 things. I now have up to 5 causes/reasons for any changes.