Drol & Dbol together - Opinions

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Whats up guys? Been doing some research on using these two compounds together for my next cycle. Feelings have been mixed, but I want to try it for myself, log it, and see how it affects me, gains wise, and sides wise. I have a few cycles under my belt, used Test, Tren, Deca, NPP, Dbol, Halo, Masteron, blah blah etc. throughout my cycling career.


Heres what I'm thinking:

1-12 1g test weekly
1-12 600mg deca weekly
1-6 40mg dbol ED
1-6 100mg drol ED

Would be using Liv52, R-ALA, NAC for the liver. Hawthorne and Garlic for BP. The purpose of this cycle: Mass & Strength.

Any opinions would be appreciated, especially from those who have used the 2 orals simultaneously.
 
Whats up guys? Been doing some research on using these two compounds together for my next cycle. Feelings have been mixed, but I want to try it for myself, log it, and see how it affects me, gains wise, and sides wise. I have a few cycles under my belt, used Test, Tren, Deca, NPP, Dbol, Halo, Masteron, blah blah etc. throughout my cycling career.


Heres what I'm thinking:

1-12 1g test weekly
1-12 600mg deca weekly
1-6 40mg dbol ED
1-6 100mg drol ED

Would be using Liv52, R-ALA, NAC for the liver. Hawthorne and Garlic for BP. The purpose of this cycle: Mass & Strength.

Any opinions would be appreciated, especially from those who have used the 2 orals simultaneously.

Anadrol is toxic enough on its own to merit not taking it longer than 4-6 weeks. You have to be nuts to want to run it with another methyl. But then again, I like my liver very much. Dude, you've only got one liver, so why take the risk?

Liver Longer is better than Liv 52.
 
The point of running drol and dbol together is too run them at low doses for less sides, but same power as one at a high dose.

Not too wreck your liver lol.
 
The point of running drol and dbol together is too run them at low doses for less sides, but same power as one at a high dose.

Not too wreck your liver lol.

There was actually a nice write up on this. I'll have to remember where I read it but the gist of it is that dbol and drol work synergistically together through different pathways...that the combination of the two in lesser dosages produced a greater effect than an equal combined amount of either compound. It was a good read. I'll post it if I can figure out where I read it.
 
Here it is:

By Gavin Kane

For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.

Anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960’s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990’s.

Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex.

Dianabol (methandrostenolone) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970’s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980’s. It somewhat waned during the 1990’s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000’s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.
Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.

So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.

On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.

Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?

The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.

My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.

Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca-durabolin.

I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.

I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.
 
The point of running drol and dbol together is too run them at low doses for less sides, but same power as one at a high dose.

Not too wreck your liver lol.

I understand what his point is. It's pretty obvious. I'm simply commenting on a possible result--one I'm not interested in achieving, personally. Sorry, but I've talked to too many who chose poorly with methyls and ended up in the hospital with jaundice. I'll pass.

100mg/day of anadrol is not a "low" dose. Neither is 40mg/day of dbol. Moderate maybe, but not low. Maybe some guys, some bodies can handle it, but it doesn't make it safe for everybody.

In regards to the article, I don't know how in the world that guy tolerated some of the high dosing he mentions. It would kill a smaller guy like me. I had BP so high that my nose would bleed without warning...at only 150mg/day. I would never dose above 100/day ever again based on that.
 
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There was actually a nice write up on this. I'll have to remember where I read it but the gist of it is that dbol and drol work synergistically together through different pathways...that the combination of the two in lesser dosages produced a greater effect than an equal combined amount of either compound. It was a good read. I'll post it if I can figure out where I read it.

I understand synergy, sure. Just as well as I understand safety. Unless doses were much lower than mentioned in the article, I would not sign off on a 2 methyl cycle. Synergy can be had by combining a methyl with an injectable, just as easily, with less risk and much greater degree of safety.

Call me a wuss. Go ahead. But at 41, longevity and overall health far outweigh the rush to get the extra 1" on my arms. It'll come, just not all at once. And I'm good with that.
 
I understand synergy, sure. Just as well as I understand safety. Unless doses were much lower than mentioned in the article, I would not sign off on a 2 methyl cycle. Synergy can be had by combining a methyl with an injectable, just as easily, with less risk and much greater degree of safety.

Call me a wuss. Go ahead. But at 41, longevity and overall health far outweigh the rush to get the extra 1" on my arms. It'll come, just not all at once. And I'm good with that.

No, no, no. I'm almost 38. I don't need that. I was just simply saying there is credence to combining the two compounds together. Many have tried this since that write up first started circulating the boards and share a similar experience to the guy who wrote that. I pin test and deca and add or oral here there for short spurts. For these young bucks who are all about strength and size (we've been there too) it's good info.
 
No, no, no. I'm almost 38. I don't need that. I was just simply saying there is credence to combining the two compounds together. Many have tried this since that write up first started circulating the boards and share a similar experience to the guy who wrote that. I pin test and deca and add or oral here there for short spurts. For these young bucks who are all about strength and size (we've been there too) it's good info.

I think his claim of no effects on his liver is deceiving for guys expecting the same results. I have a hard time believing his claim to begin with, but I have seen guys get jaundice from 60mg/day of methyls, too. Everyone is different, but in the article, though he does recommend liver support, makes it sound like it is liver-safe, since he says it was for him.

The argument could be made that if people aren't checking their own bloods, then it is their fault. This is certainly true. But when someone respected signs off on something like this, how many guys will just jump on the bandwagon? Maybe I am hypervigilant about this because I have seen the other side of it. Maybe 41 years makes me a little wiser. I'd like to think so.
 
It's really not that uncommon for guys to run dbol, and drol together. Im not promoting it, saying it's a good idea, or safe. But I have seen many do this with great results. I guess it would be hard not to get great results but some people can do cycles like this and with stand the sides others will have a very hard time. I'm beyond the years where im willing to even think about cycles like this as I rarely use orals now.

I would advise that anyone wanting to try this be very careful and pay attention to whats happening with your body. Check your BP and watch for your eyes turning yellow. Not a good look.
 
I agree with User..we re all differnt with diffrant goals.
Did drol once..the headache s and bp issues caused me to cease 2.5 weeks in..even though my strength was coming on really nicely.
Love low dose dbol still..that sense of well being is my fav side effect and the water is easily controlled with proviron and an ai..

My boy Massive is running em together reported growing and getting stronger at an alarming rate.

He may chime in..as he s in the middle of the run..
 
Thanks for the input thus far. I have run Halo for a steady amount of time without any serious issues to my liver values. I have been off of orals for a few months and was thinking about giving this combo a go, but we will see. I have never run Anadrol, if I do not decide to run them together I might just give the Drol a shot on it's own, see how I handle it. Assuming I dropped the Dbol my proposed cycle would be this:

1-15 Test-E 1g weekly
1-15 EQ 800mg weekly
1-13 Deca 600mg weekly
1-6 Anadrol 100mg ED

Basically replace the Dbol with Boldenone and go from there. If anyone has ever run EQ with Drol, I'd appreciate some info concerning how Anadrol effects your appetite, since plenty of users report a decrease in appetite, I'm curious if the EQ cancels that out/makes it less noticeable. Obviously the theme of the cycle is still MASS.
 
I think his claim of no effects on his liver is deceiving for guys expecting the same results. I have a hard time believing his claim to begin with, but I have seen guys get jaundice from 60mg/day of methyls, too. Everyone is different, but in the article, though he does recommend liver support, makes it sound like it is liver-safe, since he says it was for him.

The argument could be made that if people aren't checking their own bloods, then it is their fault. This is certainly true. But when someone respected signs off on something like this, how many guys will just jump on the bandwagon? Maybe I am hypervigilant about this because I have seen the other side of it. Maybe 41 years makes me a little wiser. I'd like to think so.

The author of that article is obviously either a Pro or competes in the sport. Apart from interfering with androgens in the body, liver protectants (milk thistle based products in particular) don't do much to keep enzyme levels within the range, while on-cycle.

I take beef liver tabs, BACCs, fish oils, B6, Q-10, Vit D, Vit C (for cortisol) and niacin. I can't handle orals for prolonged periods of time. The sides (for me) outweigh the benefits. I'll run dbol, drol or dbol + drol for at most 3 weeks but at much lower doses. Winstrol (winny) and Anavar (var) wreak havoc on my HDL so I don't run those for longer than 3 weeks when I do. Not everyone metabolizes these drugs the same:

"Another study tested one of the most powerful and reputedly dangerously toxic Anabolic Steroids for 30 weeks on HIV positive men and women Oxymetholone a C-17 alkylated oral steroid, was administered in a dosage of over 1,000 mg per week (more than that used by many athletes, and for a much longer duration of uninterrupted use).

The results were significant gains in lean muscle mass even without any weightlifting. Even more importantly and surprisingly there were no significant problems with liver function, water retention, or virilization side effects (Hengge et al., British Journal of Nutrition, 75, p.129-138, 1996). "
 
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The author of that article is obviously either a Pro or competes in the sport. Apart from interfering with androgens in the body, liver protectants (milk thistle based products in particular) don't do much to keep enzyme levels within the range, while on-cycle.

I take beef liver tabs, BACCs, fish oils, B6, Q-10, Vit D, Vit C (for cortisol) and niacin. I can't handle orals for prolonged periods of time. The sides (for me) outweigh the benefits. I'll run dbol, drol or dbol + drol for at most 3 weeks but at much lower doses. Winstrol (winny) and Anavar (var) wreak havoc on my HDL so I don't run those for longer than 3 weeks when I do. Not everyone metabolizes these drugs the same:

"Another study tested one of the most powerful and reputedly dangerously toxic Anabolic Steroids for 30 weeks on HIV positive men and women Oxymetholone a C-17 alkylated oral steroid, was administered in a dosage of over 1,000 mg per week (more than that used by many athletes, and for a much longer duration of uninterrupted use).

The results were significant gains in lean muscle mass even without any weightlifting. Even more importantly and surprisingly there were no significant problems with liver function, water retention, or virilization side effects (Hengge et al., British Journal of Nutrition, 75, p.129-138, 1996). "

Nice article. I think I'll run my Drol at 1000mg/week now and see how well it works.

SIKE. To each his own though. It's nice to know someone out there has a cast iron liver, but it ain't me. I do everything I can to protect my liver during cycles though.

I have had multiple liver tests while ON orals throughout my cycling history. To be honest, my liver values were actually *MOST* elevated on Accutane, and NOT AAS. Weird huh?
 
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Why do you want to keep adding compounds. Drol may kill your appetite and may not. Everyone is different. Why add EQ. Test,deca,drol is plenty but it's your cycle so do as you please.
 
Why do you want to keep adding compounds. Drol may kill your appetite and may not. Everyone is different. Why add EQ. Test,deca,drol is plenty but it's your cycle so do as you please.

Cause I can I guess?

I have heard good things about synergistic properties between Deca/EQ together, as well as Drol/Dbol together.

It's almost April, so there will not be another Tren run for me until the fall. I cannot stand the 24/7 sweats it causes (I live in the deep south).
 
Ok. Just wondering. I have tried many things just to try them myself. It sounds like a lot but in reality AAS effect different people in different ways and I know guys who have cycled for years and can still gain off 500mg of test. I know other guys who see nothing at all from 500mg test. Well I shouldn't say nothing, but very little. Good luck with the cycle.
 
I'm in the "less compounds the better camp". That's certainly not to say I haven't stacked 5-6 different compounds before. I just don't see the point anymore.

Test E/Deca + an oral here and there
Cyp/Deca + an oral here and there
Sust/Deca + an oral here and there

Right now it's just Sustanon (sust) and Deca. I'll be switching out Deca for EQ at 8 weeks and running EQ for another 16 weeks after that. I'll probably switch out the Sustanon (sust) at week 10 and run TNE/inj dbol for 2-3 weeks then switch to a combo of Cyp and Test E for reminder of the extended cycle.

What's the logic behind this? None other than I like to keep the body guessing. When you workout the body responds best to change. I found the same to true with cycling.
 
I'm in the same boat juice authority. I still run test only frequently and a bigger cycle for me is just like you laid out maybe with an oral but it's been around two years since any orals. I think you are a little older like me(33) which is not old but I don't feel like I need anything more
 
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