ECA in morning/pre workout, then albuterol in afternoon and evening? gernius/stupid?

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So basically take ECA (20/200/100) in the morning before workout and then after about 4 hours take albuterol 8mg and then again after 4 hours albuterol 8mg. Since both have a half life of 4 hours the idea is to take advantage of ECA's energy boost before workout and then take advantage of albuterol's superior fat cutting/muscle preserving properties.

Genius idea or plain stupid?
 
Unless you are prepping for a show why not just cut naturally? People seem to take things like this to compensate for a half assed diet. Not saying thy you are, just an obserbation.
 
What exactly is catabolic in this equation? Are you referencing catabolism in general, or one compound to support another? None of these compounds are effective anti-catabolics.
 
I am referring to sabuterol as being a little anti-catabolic.. of course it might not be as much as clen but there are posts where people have experienced a little anti catabolic effect of sabuterol. However, The main point of the thread is more in terms of fat-loss while preserving as much mass as possible with otc drugs. Since salbuterol is supposed to be better at this so I was proposing it to be used after the workout, however purely in terms of energy boost eca is a better choice. Both can't be used at the same time and hence my proposed timing to gain the effects of both. Using only one will devoid us of the others' benefit.
 
kryzz said:
I am referring to sabuterol as being a little anti-catabolic.. of course it might not be as much as clen but there are posts where people have experienced a little anti catabolic effect of sabuterol. However, The main point of the thread is more in terms of fat-loss while preserving as much mass as possible with otc drugs. Since salbuterol is supposed to be better at this so I was proposing it to be used after the workout, however purely in terms of energy boost eca is a better choice. Both can't be used at the same time and hence my proposed timing to gain the effects of both. Using only one will devoid us of the others' benefit.
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I think you're reading from the wrong sources of information. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, the anti-catabolic properties are vastly overstated and mere guesswork based off animal studies. Not only have these anti-catabolic properties NOT been shown in human trials/studies, the anti-catabolic effects in animals are only shown in enormous dosages, much much higher than humans would take.

If you want to preserve as much muscle as possible during a cut, pick a mild-moderate deficit, ensure you're getting proper macros, reduce volume slightly if need be in your training while keeping intensity high. You don't need drugs to preserve your muscle and there's no need to run ECA and Albuterol together. You're asking for atrial fibrillation or some other cardiac problem if you go down this route.
 
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DreDay187 said:
I think you're reading from the wrong sources of information. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, the anti-catabolic properties are vastly overstated and mere guesswork based off animal studies. Not only have these anti-catabolic properties NOT been shown in human trials/studies, the anti-catabolic effects in animals are only shown in enormous dosages, much much higher than humans would take.

If you want to preserve as much muscle as possible during a cut, pick a mild-moderate deficit, ensure you're getting proper macros, reduce volume slightly if need be in your training while keeping intensity high. You don't need drugs to preserve your muscle and there's no need to run ECA and Albuterol together. You're asking for atrial fibrillation or some other cardiac problem if you go down this route.
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A genius plan to get a first class ticket to the hospital.

Wanna lose weight quick just smoke crack - never seen a fat crack head.
 
kryzz said:
I am referring to sabuterol as being a little anti-catabolic.. of course it might not be as much as clen but there are posts where people have experienced a little anti catabolic effect of sabuterol. However, The main point of the thread is more in terms of fat-loss while preserving as much mass as possible with otc drugs. Since salbuterol is supposed to be better at this so I was proposing it to be used after the workout, however purely in terms of energy boost eca is a better choice. Both can't be used at the same time and hence my proposed timing to gain the effects of both. Using only one will devoid us of the others' benefit.
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Well those are not OTC products. These compounds, in any quantity and/or frequency will not preserve muscle in the event that your body is at a muscle-burning-stage.
 
I'm going to read how the big aethetic guys do their cutting.

I would assume a simply test cycle with 500 calorie deficient plus cardio would preserve a large substantial amount of muscle compared to doing it natty.
 
thanks for the responses...... so I better stick to only ECA then?
Edit: ECA for a little energy boost and appetite suppression. There is nothing wrong with a bit of pre workout is it?
 
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