endo appointment at 21 years old

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TylerDurden7

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I have been experiencing symptoms of low test for several months now and finally decided to go get some blood work. Free test came back as 7.6 ng/dl, Total test 492 ng/dl. I have a rather large varicocele in my left testicle but there is no pain. My family doctor referred me to an endocrinologist for the 1st of Febuary. I realize that my total is within range but I think for my age it should be much higher. If anyone could tell me their thoughts or what to expect with this first appointment it would be much appreciated. Thanks bros
 
1st appt will be lots of bloodwork - probably send you for 2 days worth to get a "baseline" reading. No big deal. And you are within range so don't sweat it. Endo is the right way to go.
 
Hey man thanks for your input. So fast too. Given these numbers, do you think I would be a candidate for cyp. shots if they remain at this level consistently?
 
That isn't in range for a 21 year old it is very low. You will be given HCG to get your natural test levels up. You don't want testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 21.
 
Alright thanks for the replies. I realize alot of guys have much lower levels than this and I am grateful for what I do have. I will update after my appointment.
 
Ok so I went in today and just as you said feverglades, more bloodwork was done. He will be checking LH, FSH, Free and Total Test, prolactin, and thyroid levels. Some more background info: I had a head trauma from getting knocked and falling backwards headfirst on cement about a year ago when symptoms seemed to manifest. Had two CT's done awhile ago and thank God everything came back ok. The endo said that sometimes head trauma can mess with the pituitary. He mentioned a therapy that sounded a bit odd to me but makes some sense the way he explained it. Depending on how the blood test comes back, I could be treated similiarly to a delayed puberty patient and be given a short series of injections. According to him, the body will recognize that it needs to kickstart test production again when it sees this exogenous test start to diminish. I mentioned Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but he said usually it is only prescribed when older men are trying to have children. What do you all think of what this doc is saying? Thank you for you help bros
 
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2nd labs: Free Test 12 ng/dl Total Test: 313

These are the results from my appointment on 2/1/10. Got my first pin today at 2:30! 200 mg test cypionate. Feel something going on already :)
 
TylerDurden7 said:
2nd labs: Free Test 12 ng/dl Total Test: 313

These are the results from my appointment on 2/1/10. Got my first pin today at 2:30! 200 mg test cypionate. Feel something going on already :)
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anything you feel already is in your head for sure. I'm surprised they gave you a shot already, why not try to find the cause and get your natural test up first?
 
He said my LH and FSH came back normal, so my pituatary gland is not the reason for low levels. And according to him, a short course of androgens could kickstart natural production again.
 
TylerDurden7 said:
He said my LH and FSH came back normal, so my pituatary gland is not the reason for low levels. And according to him, a short course of androgens could kickstart natural production again.
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That makes NO sense to me - a short cycle of androgens will kill natural production. If its your nuts not responding to your pituitary, it seems Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) might be the solution.

Stone Cold? why is the doc doing this??
 
never say no testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 21 or w/e i'm 20 and on it lol...but then again I want kids so I dunno what to do
 
A little update. I've been receiving 200mg test cypionate every other week. For the first 3 weeks I was feeling really good, gained back 10lbs of lost lean mass with corresponding strength, morning wood, and noticed a bit more of an alpha mentality. Then all of a sudden I stopped feeling the effects unless it was 24hrs to a week post injection. Got my blood drawn 2 weeks after the 3rd shot and results were 211ng/dl. Doc has upped my frequency to 200mg every week. I thought my test levels would have improved despite being on an eow protocol. But no such luck. Why is this? Is my natty test at the point where it is getting killed off and the lab results reveal only the remnants of the injection? Also, I have an insanely fast metabolism. Could this be making my body use the exo test at a faster rate than normal?
 
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cyp has a half life of roughly 4 days... dunno why the doc would give u eow shoots... dont know why he has you on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at ur age.. dunno wtf is going on exactly honestly...


u should be taking hcg... it would make much more sense to try to raise your natty test levels with that then use cyp.. cyp will only shut u down.. very strange.. what a weird doc
 
jamyjamjr said:
cyp has a half life of roughly 4 days... dunno why the doc would give u eow shoots... dont know why he has you on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at ur age.. dunno wtf is going on exactly honestly...
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I think you've got cyp mixed up with prop or something else maybe...
Cyp's half-life is roughly 12 days.

Yet you should get a inject at least every 7 days to maintain stable blood levels...

Here is a list of half-lives:
Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 14 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day

Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

Ancillaries Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
T3 10 hours
 
ythrashin said:
I think you've got cyp mixed up with prop or something else maybe...
Cyp's half-life is roughly 12 days.

Yet you should get a inject at least every 7 days to maintain stable blood levels...

Here is a list of half-lives:
Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 14 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day

Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

Ancillaries Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
T3 10 hours
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u thought right Y... i did mix it up... my mistake.. good catch.. reps
 
thrashin nailed it-your going on a rollercoaster ride with your hormone levels-1 shot a week will help-but 2 shots a week would be optimal.

50mg 2x a week would make sure that feeling doesnt come back-IMO
 
While just doing my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dosage I pin once per week and feel fine. When I blast I spit it up twice a week....
 
yea you prolly wont notice a difference between 1 or 2 x a week. but you never know at that low of a dose you might be able to tell.

here is where i got my thoughts on this

Posted by Hardasnails-i believe he is endocrine

"100 mgs should be admintster once or 2 times a week to keep plasma levels more stable then every 10 days
on day 2 on 100 mgs after the shot you are probably about 1200 total T but morning of day 10 you are probalby 200-300 ng/dl. Going from 1200 to 200 is a huge rollercoaster ride both with emotions as well as estrodial.
Practioner needs to determine if you are primary or secondary and what would be the probably cause of why testosterone is low.

estrodial sensitive asay needs to be properly ran to look to see if there is an excessive conversion from testostorne to estrodial as this can affect functioining of testosterone at the tissue level."
 
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i shoot my 150mg/w once a week and it is fine. Remember, TRT/HRT is not designed with bodybuilding in mind. yes you want stable blood levels, but once a week with Cyp is fine based on the half-life.

Besides, i still feel, depending on your goals, that a long ester like Cyp or Enan can be taken once a week with doses of 500mg or more because essentially all your looking for is a positive nitrogen balance anyway with regards to hypertrophy. Yes, sides can be more prevelant with unstable blood serum levels, but with LE gear, i think the difference is negligible.

Again, this is all gotta based off of YOUR body chemistry. I don't typically get any sides from gear, even 1g a week of Enan didn't do anything to me. Yet another reason why dispensing advice on these boards needs to be done wisely.

Nice thread though. Not sure if this endo knows wht he is doing, but we don't know what this kids endocrine system is doing.
 
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