Eq/Test stack for tendons and muscle

Lambi

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Hey guys. I was thinking of doing a cycle of 400-600mg/week of EQ and 200mg/test e(or p).

The objective of the cycle would be to gain muscle and more importantly get rid of my tricep tendon problem that I have been dealing with for about 4-5 months now. I have read a lot about eq and collgen synthesis and would really like to give it a try. I have a few questions though.

1. Have any of you noticed faster recovery from injuries while on EQ?
2. Would 200mg/week of test be enough to keep my libido alive ?
3. How does this look ?

and before you bash me I have yet to figure out how my post cycle therapy (pct) would be but of course I will be researching more about this. thanks in advance :)
 
I know that deca is more commonly used for injuries. 250 mg a week would be enough to keep your boys running-although i wouldn't run that low of a dose with a high dose of something else.

how many cycles have you ran? how serious is your injury? are you able to work out?
 
Thank you very much for answering. I know deca is more commonly used. But according to some article I read (which has been copy/pasted all over the internet) Eq increases collagen synthesis more than Deca and therefore is better for healing injuries.

This would be my first cycle I would go test only if I didn't have this nagging injury. But I can lift but have to be careful and I can only do limited pushing movements.

Would maybe 400 EQ/week + 200 test/week be a stupid cycle? and if so can you please suggest another one that I should look into. thanks alot.
 
well my question would be why are you wanting to keep the test @ such a low dose? and lets say the EQ helps you inury-will this be permanent or will you injury come back when your done with the cycle?
 
The plan is of course to get rid of the injury completely with Physical therapy and EQ, the reason I would like to keep test low is because according to that study (which im gonna find and post in a sec) eq boosts collagen syn. by a whole lot but test in more than 200/week lowers it. so that would be why I am keeping it so low.
 
post it and let me read-I am no guru by any means but i will tell you if its logical and something i would do.
 
While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle.

Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
 
that article is all over the internet but finding the sources is not going very well. but anyways I have head a lot of people find EQ helps with injuries. So that's why i'm leaning towards eq. It would not have to be a high dose of eq.
 
well stonecold posted that article here so i would trust it-he wouldn't post stuff that wasn't reliable info.

there is another thread on here where they say you can run the test @ 250-400mg a week. the reason i would be hesistant of such a low dose of test-i would be afraid it could underdosed etc etc so this is how i would do it-if i were doing for injury reasons.

1-16 test e or c 350mg a week ( I am pretty sure if you shoot 250mg every 4 days it works out to 350 a week)
1-15 EQ 600 a week
19-22 PCT

the reason why i would go high like that on the EQ is cause everyone says it takes that much to see gains-and if your going to blast mine as well get all the benefits.

I am running EQ here in 3 weeks and i am very excited-its suppose to make you hungry as hell and the gains easy to maintain.

while i was looking up that thread i saw another thread where people agreed EQ is the best for what your trying to do-so you were right about that-i say go for it-but now its time to research PCT-HCG-AI-SERM-make sure you know all about these.
 
Hey guys. I was thinking of doing a cycle of 400-600mg/week of EQ and 200mg/test e(or p).

The objective of the cycle would be to gain muscle and more importantly get rid of my tricep tendon problem that I have been dealing with for about 4-5 months now. I have read a lot about eq and collgen synthesis and would really like to give it a try. I have a few questions though.

1. Have any of you noticed faster recovery from injuries while on EQ?
2. Would 200mg/week of test be enough to keep my libido alive ?
3. How does this look ?

and before you bash me I have yet to figure out how my post cycle therapy (pct) would be but of course I will be researching more about this. thanks in advance :)


I have had a groin pull for the last 4 months and I just came off a 20 week cycle of Test e, Deca, and EQ. So If its muscle related it might not help. I wil be running HGH and GHRP-6 soon and hope this will give me the edge to heal up faster.

As for a tendon though it might be a good idea since I had no tendon pain until I came off the sauce.

I would use 500mg of Test though with 600EQ
 
I am also dealing with a recently pulled groin, and I know it can take long time to heal. I'm not on anything right now, nandrolone or EQ are sounding really good right now.
 
I know that deca is more commonly used for injuries. 250 mg a week would be enough to keep your boys running-although i wouldn't run that low of a dose with a high dose of something else.

how many cycles have you ran? how serious is your injury? are you able to work out?

It would be fine to run EQ at a higher dose then the TEST. Many MMA fighters and other types of athletes do this.
 
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