Excited to start

[Larrybird]

Hey all, I'm a new user to this site, but have been perusing for quite some time now.

I get my information from 3 sites, and friend to friend sources.

I'm going to start my first 15 week cycle on Test E @ 500mg / week. I'm currently 220lbs at 17% bf. Planning to get up to 240 @ 15%.

I have Novaldex on hand incase anything goes wrong.

Hoping that my first experience is a good one. I'll keep you all posted. Getting my gear from my dear uncle zed. Should be here in a couple of weeks.

I've done a cycle of PH in the past with H-drol. The results weren't fantastic. Maybe 10lb gain at most.

Anybody have any advice, oh, and should I use 23g 1.5 inch? Does that seem adequate? Planning to inject into quad.

Thanks all.

-Bird

 

[DADAWG]

welcome to ology.
most use 1 inch 25 guage for quads an 23 guage 1.5 inch in glutes

 

[Irentat]

I have Novaldex on hand incase anything goes wrong.

Just my opinion, but I would use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) such as Arimidex from the first pin then you know nothing will go wrong. You want the weight gain to be real muscle not just water weight from all the estrogen building in your bod...then again maybe you want to look as big as possible.

 

[Larrybird]

Arimidex? I'll look into it. Good news is, my buddy's dad is a doctor. He knows that I'm going to be doing this so he could probably write me a prescription.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll do a little research on it.

Also, Irentat, I see you're from Phoenix. Same here. Which gym you go to?

 

[jimbo79]

welcome to ology.
most use 1 inch 25 guage for quads an 23 guage 1.5 inch in glutes

yes sir!

 

[Irentat]

Also, Irentat, I see you're from Phoenix. Same here. Which gym you go to?

LA Fitness in Ahwatukee. They just remodeled so pretty sweet now. Where u at?

 

[Larrybird]

I've never had good success with LA fitness. I live over on the west side. I recently bought a membership to Lifetime fitness. Talk about a bunch of fake ass rich white people...

You running a cycle right now? Damn... you live all the way out in BFE.

Does your LA fitness have a pool and racquetball courts?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

one thing ive been noticing lately with the 25 gauge, i was putting too much pressure on it in the past. it would still take 15 seconds or so to inject, but i was pushing the plunger hard. Ive learned that you should barely have to press the plunger, i mean put very little pressure on the plunger and really take your time. this minimizes knots for me. looking back i can just imagine the juice spraying out like putting your finger over the end of the hose, and tearing my flesh up in their.

 

[Irentat]

I've never had good success with LA fitness. I live over on the west side. I recently bought a membership to Lifetime fitness. Talk about a bunch of fake ass rich white people...

You running a cycle right now? Damn... you live all the way out in BFE.

Does your LA fitness have a pool and racquetball courts?

LOL! Yes I have to admit, it is an older white crowd at that particular LA Fitness...as is all of All-white-tukee so I guess I fit right in. Pool, hot tub, bb and rb courts. I wish they had "clothing optional" sauna like in Germany. People gotta be more open to their bodies!

 

[Larrybird]

I have a question about using the Arimidex.

I've read mixed opinions about taking it as PCT or just taking half a pill every other day during the cycle.

I'm curious which is a better route and why.

Can anybody give me some advice?

Also, other than the Arimidex, do I need anything else to complete my first cycle?

I keep seeing people say HCG, is that really necessary?

 

[.deaffob]

I have a question about using the Arimidex.

I've read mixed opinions about taking it as PCT or just taking half a pill every other day during the cycle.

I'm curious which is a better route and why.

Can anybody give me some advice?

Also, other than the Arimidex, do I need anything else to complete my first cycle?

I keep seeing people say HCG, is that really necessary?

You gotta give us the mg. Not one pill or half pill

Generally, you tapper off AIs when you are on PCTs. AIs will give you rebound effect when you are coming off and nolva+clomid will block those until the things stabilize.

 

[Irentat]

I have a question about using the Arimidex.

I've read mixed opinions about taking it as PCT or just taking half a pill every other day during the cycle.

I'm curious which is a better route and why.

Can anybody give me some advice?

Also, other than the Arimidex, do I need anything else to complete my first cycle?

I keep seeing people say HCG, is that really necessary?

I think people will say everyone is different and have different goals. I am on 250/400 test/deca and after 8 weeks with no Aromatase inhibitor (AI), the estrogen crept up on me and got my nipples puffy and itchy. On top of it, the estrogen in my body made me as bitchy as an 18 year old girl! Others state they can go 500 EW of test and not have an issue.

I was taught to take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during cycle to keep issues from forming. Further, since I am not going for size, I want the water weight to be as minimal as possible.

I will let someone else more knowledgeable answer on if you REALLY need HCG. For me, I like my boys normal size during the cycle, and again it was the way I was taught to cycle.

 

[Polynikes666]

Use Arimidex during your cycle, not after. I happen to side with Snigg when he suggests holding off with the AI's on moderate cycles. Watch for signs of high BP, and gyno symptoms. And then use the minimum amount of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) required to correct the problem. Others beg to differ, and you should hear them out.

Hcg is nice, but not necessary. It won't prevent HPTA inhibition, but it will force your nuts to keep working. Personally, I like it.

Oh yeah, 23 gauge in the quads? Ouch. Doable, but ouch. I'd heed the 25 gauge recommendations.

Poly

 

[Larrybird]

Thanks everybody for the advice!

Yeah, I actually got a hold of 25 gauges. Save myself the pain! I'm actually a nurse, so sticking myself is not a big deal (not saying I do that on a regular basis! ha, but I do have experience with the needle).

The arimidex is 1mg.

I plan to take .5mg every other day during the cycle to keep the estrogen stabilized.

Good to hear the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) isn't mandatory - phew. Already spent about $300 on my first cycle run.

So other than running arimidex simultaneously during the cycle, is there anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks,

-Bird

Also, should I taper down on the Test E come week 13, say like 400 mg week 13, 300 mg week 14, 250mg week 15 or is it ok to just run 500mg all the way up to week 15?

 

[Shaptown]

Larry please do a bit more reading during this time. I think you will find the general consensus that it is best to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) all the way through both your cycle AND PCT. I utilize Aromasin; it is a much better Aromatase inhibitor (AI) than Arimidex. I run it at 12.5mg ED, since the half-life is shorter than Arimidex and it needs to be utilized ED.

Also, while Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) isn't 100% necessary for a cycle like yours, I would never be without it. If you can enhance your recovery, why wouldn't you? Use 500 IU every week all the way up to your last test pin. The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during PCT protocol is old and outdated. The current thought is using it during your cycle is a better idea since it prevents testicular atrophy to some extent in addition to keeping your leydig cells producing at least SOME test. That way when you come off the AAS and start your PCT, it will be easier for your nuts to start kicking your endogenous production into high gear with the help of the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from on-cycle, as well as the SERM (such as nolva or clomid; i personally prefer clomid) which you will run during PCT.

 

[Larrybird]

Shaptown, thanks for the input! Well appreciated.

HCG... That's not the hcG that everyone is raving about is it?

You're probably right, it is best to get ahold of this and just use it weekly during my cycle.

As for the PCT, is the arimidex sufficient to run for the PCT alone? I hear people don't have a lot of problems with test E.

I'll have a couple weeks before the supply comes in and yes, I will be continually doing my research. Thanks for the input, man. Every little bit is appreciated.

-Bird