Experiance and advice from anyone who started @ 18 not for me though :P

[Nightmare007]

Hi guys
Can you give me your cycle details along with your experiance wrt to sides and any problems you had on cycle or post cycle..this is for a friend he just turnd 18 and he wants do a short blast version of the cycle I'm planing for a duration of 6 weeks tried talking him out of it but he determined to do it with guor without my help and no he doesn't want to do a test only cycle
He's planing tren and drol for 4 weeks and test p 6 weeks
He's got a decent post cycle therapy (pct) plan. Just want to ensure he doesn't permently screw up his htpa
Thanks for any advice you offer

 

[Nightmare007]

Have tried my best talking him out of it! So no flaming guys usefull stuff only

 

[RamboTheDog]

It varies from person to person... someone who is 18 could be more biologically developed than a 22 year old... but the 2 main reasons people flame for using roids early is not because of the recovery since you will probably recover even faster when you are younger... It is because

1- before 20's you might not be fully developed and therefore you might be able to grow more (muscle) naturally in a few years
2- because all the hormone changes from taking steroids messes with your head and mood and stuff like that...


I myself started at 18 and i dont regret it at all, i was in pretty good shape and i was in a plateau for more than a year... I totally understand your friend, he wants to be big now...

Anyways just dont let him do shit like taking fucking TREN stacked with drol with NO test in his first cycle lol

even if you have to trick him and sell him a bottle of Test saying its tren... dont let him take fucking tren on his first cycle...

Short cycles are known to making people recover a lot faster and prevent any sides..

Most people i know make 90% of their gains from week 2-8... I have come to the conclusion that from week 8 + side effects tend to increase a lot more than gains....

So, tell your friend to do a short cycle like 6-8 weeks of test at 500-600 mg/week

Make sure that he has an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand and post cycle therapy (pct) ready before starting the cycle

Clomid, Tamoxifen and if he wants Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle would be helpful too

 

[Youngblood43]

^^90% gains in weeks 2-8, i don't think so man, that's called water retention, lean muscle mass gains take time..

To the OP, talk him put of it! He is not ready at 18. And his test is fine where it is at most likely its already very high. So watts the point? Also you risk closing growth plates thus making his frame smaller than wat it would have been.

 

[Nightmare007]

Wil do he's determined to use an oral as well
So Wht test prop and dbol?

 

[RamboTheDog]

Wil do he's determined to use an oral as well
So Wht test prop and dbol?

This is what you gotta do if you care about your friend.. find some fake dbol (has to be 100% fake) and give it to your friend... at least then he will do a test only cycle lol... i know you will be fooling him but its for his own good

 

[Youngblood43]

Wil do he's determined to use an oral as well
So Wht test prop and dbol?

If he does anything it needs to be just test. The gains would still be ridiculous due to the fact that he has virgin receptors so he will respond very well. That's one of the reason u just use test only first cycle, also because you need to see how ur going to react to test, and u won't be able to tell when running multiple things. Im not saying to take test only at 18. But if he is a dumbass and determined to do then TEST only, test e or test c would be a better choice for first cycle, prop is going to be every day or every other day injections, and painful so not good for a noob

 

[RamboTheDog]

^^90% gains in weeks 2-8, i don't think so man, that's called water retention, lean muscle mass gains take time..

To the OP, talk him put of it! He is not ready at 18. And his test is fine where it is at most likely its already very high. So watts the point? Also you risk closing growth plates thus making his frame smaller than wat it would have been.

I cant speak with 100% sure about my friends but from personal experience, even with boldenone i got 90% of my gains until week 7 then my side effects increased a lot while the gains pretty much stopped.... and its not a diet or training problem, i guess its just how my body works then.... If it was a dieting or training problem i wouldnt be 5"10 and weight 203 pounds with 7% bodyfat....

Its not water retention because most of MY gains come from week 3-7 + - .. with long or short esters... and i always use Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and dont bloat much

I really dont think its necessary to wait so long to start steroids... its my opnion, i just think you gotta do stuff right, about the growth plates shit... everyone i know stopped growing at 16-18 years old... with the exception of 1 or 2 guys out of 100 +... just look at your family.. im same height as my father.... im taller than everyone in my mother's side.. and my brother is same height as me, i dont think i was gonna grow more or at least no more than 0.5 inch or less lol

From your post count im pretty sure you have more knowledge than me in the subject of steroids but im just giving my personal opnion and what i believe in

 

[RamboTheDog]

If he does anything it needs to be just test. The gains would still be ridiculous due to the fact that he has virgin receptors so he will respond very well. That's one of the reason u just use test only first cycle, also because you need to see how ur going to react to test, and u won't be able to tell when running multiple things. Im not saying to take test only at 18. But if he is a dumbass and determined to do then TEST only, test e or test c would be a better choice for first cycle, prop is going to be every day or every other day injections, and painful so not good for a noob

Yeah lol.. i dont think he would be able to handle the pain from the prop injections.... i'd go with test E or sustanon 250 (< my personal favorite)

 

[Nightmare007]

I've never run test e or c my first was a 200 mg test p eod cycle for 8 weeksaby the pain will knock some sence into him!Plus when using test e or c you need to have a minimum 12 week cycle and the water bload is estrogen and diet related
I agree with Rambo gains from short esters pop up in the first 2-8weeks
I'll try to switch his dbol for a multi or artificial sweetner lol

 

[Nightmare007]

Also would it be okay for a post cycle therapy (pct) without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) it it's really hard to find around here?

 

[84BATA]

HCG from what I collect isnt necessary it helps from shutting you down so hard and keeping your balls working.

 

[RamboTheDog]

Also would it be okay for a post cycle therapy (pct) without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) it it's really hard to find around here?

HCG should be used DURING the cycle and not on post cycle therapy (pct)... its a good thing to have Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but its not a must have on a mild cycle like this

 

[lakers0812]

OP your buddy is making a big mistake. He better have letro, adex, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG).

Btw why is he so bent on doing THIS cycle? Does he not realize that he can make great gains test only?

 

[DD55]

Stupid young kids. They have NO idea what they're dealing with. It goes to show you just how inexperienced and young they are when they want to do anadrol and tren as their first cycle....really? I shiver.

 

[Nightmare007]

I agree with you dd55 but Wht to do he won't listen to reason but since I can't talk him out of I can atleast make sure he doesn't screw himself for life
And lakers I think he's spent tooo much time reading a few half baked steroid profiles instead of advice forums lol

 

[lakers0812]

I definitely think you should get him to join a aas forum and tell him to post his cycle. See what everybody says LOL. Who knows if he actually takes the time to read the info on a site like this, he might reconsider on his own. What are his stats?

 

[Nightmare007]

I'll try to get him to join and from Wht you guys say
1.test only for him
2.short cycle 8weeks
3.ive got his Pct in check
And from my experiance I'd say prop would be best for a short cycle
But for a first timer hell really feel the pain any suggestions wrt to his I normally heat the oil with my palms and have very little Or almost no pain from pins..but I still remember Wht my first pins were like and man did they hurt

 

[Youngblood43]

I've never run test e or c my first was a 200 mg test p eod cycle for 8 weeksaby the pain will knock some sence into him!Plus when using test e or c you need to have a minimum 12 week cycle and the water bload is estrogen and diet related
I agree with Rambo gains from short esters pop up in the first 2-8weeks
I'll try to switch his dbol for a multi or artificial sweetner lol

Yes prop will start working very fast, 8 weeks of prop should yield decent gains if his diet is on point. But in regards
To 90% pf ur gains coming from weeks 2-8, maybe with prop, but it takes the body time to grow new muscle fibers, this isn't something that just happens over night, most of the weight in a short period is water. Not always subcontaneous water under the skin, but also water and glycogen filled up all inside ur muscles giving u that "full" look. IMO for the people old enough to cycle longer cycles at least 12-14 weeks are best.

 

[Dmass20]

Yeah lol.. i dont think he would be able to handle the pain from the prop injections.... i'd go with test E or sustanon 250 (< my personal favorite)

Sust has fast acting esters just like prop. It even has prop In it. I have ran both prop and Sustanon (sust) before and Sustanon (sust) is the most painful thing I have ever pinned by far. It was Sustanon (sust) 350 though. Not 250 so I'm sure that had a lot to so with it but still, I dreaded pinning that lol