few upper body pics, week 9

[Rida5d]

Have you been in contest shape and I mean sub 6%?

No sir.
I wasn't.
I'm a simple person with simple goals.
I went from 264 lb to 185 lbs. I've reached to 14-15 % bodyfat at my prime (from 35-40)
I still believe it's a long road for me, and dre's text book is helping me daily in reaching to where I want to be.
I , would never compare my physique to urs.. You look 1 mil times better, but the reason isn't ur nutrition school.. The reason was my bad habits during those years while you were working out.

 

[banzi]

No sir.
I wasn't.
I'm a simple person with simple goals.
I went from 264 lb to 185 lbs. I've reached to 14-15 % bodyfat at my prime (from 35-40)
I still believe it's a long road for me, and dre's text book is helping me daily in reaching to where I want to be.
I , would never compare my physique to urs.. You look 1 mil times better, but the reason isn't ur nutrition school.. The reason was my bad habits during those years while you were working out.

Until you get down to sub 6% you wont understand how different foods effect your condition from day to day.
No text book will teach you that either.
My nutrition is quite lax off season and I eat pretty much what I like, its just getting in contest shape a calorie isnt just a calorie.

 

[Rida5d]

Until you get down to sub 6% you wont understand how different foods effect your condition from day to day.
No text book will teach you that either.
My nutrition is quite lax off season and I eat pretty much what I like, its just getting in contest shape a calorie isnt just a calorie.

Going from 40 to 15 won't allow me to speak?
If I keep my calories in < calories out.. I assure you.. I ll be there one day.. Not to 6% .. That's not my goal nor intention.
Don't forget that I told you that those few weeks before going on stage are much different.. No one , including dre, will eat a pizza before jumping on a contest .

 

[banzi]

Going from 40 to 15 won't allow me to speak?
If I keep my calories in < calories out.. I assure you.. I ll be there one day.. Not to 6% .. That's not my goal nor intention.
Don't forget that I told you that those few weeks before going on stage are much different.. No one , including dre, will eat a pizza before jumping on a contest .

I didn't say you couldn't speak, I was pointing out that you don't notice subtle changes in your body that food gives until you get in single digits.
I normally start my diet by simply reducing calories, I don't normally count cals I just reduce the amount of carbs I eat.
You really need to suffer in the last few weeks before a contest it simply isnt just dieting.

If you still believe a calorie is just a calorie I can give you a diet which will allow you to eat as much lean protein calories as you like and you will lose weight until you get to single digits.
a calorie isnt just a calorie, google "Rabbit Starvation"

 

[banzi]

rida5d 15% and 6% is night and day. banzi is actually right

All the text books in the world wont tell you that, you have to experience it.

 

[Rida5d]

It would be nice to learn anything new..
I hope you are not referring to Atkins
Will you please give me a hint about ur diet, let's keep it in public so others can comment.

 

[Rida5d]

@ gram

I didn't say the opposite sir.
All I said that I am loosing fat counting my macros, eating below tdee..
Those contest bodyfat % requires xtra effort and I've seen some of my friends competing and I know the shit they are going through last few weeks before contest.
The whole issue started when banzai said that a calorie is not a calorie and I wanted to understand how.

 

[banzi]

It would be nice to learn anything new..
I hope you are not referring to Atkins
Will you please give me a hint about ur diet, let's keep it in public so others can comment.

Not much more to tell mate
Just eat chicken fillet (as much as you like) add some fibrous carbs and a couple spoons of Peanut Butter for 4 weeks, see how you go.
This should be accompanied by some supplements, it works without but you will look much better with.

Now you will likely get all the macro brigade screaming but its because they haven't tried it

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Now you will likely get all the macro brigade screaming but its because they haven't tried it

I am not a competitive bodybuilder, but I have dieted down successfully to 7% twice (DEXA scan) without AAS.

As far as macros go, IIFYM still applies - the science doesn't suddenly change because you have less fat on you. Obviously you feel horrible as you go lower (my test levels dropped alot, main reason I stopped at 7%) but that's mainly due to the adaptations your body has made throughout your diet (leptin levels crash, thyroid is down, test is down, etc).
In my experience (combined with the science) I see no reason to say IIFYM doesn't apply, my diet (as far as food choices) didn't change from 13-7%.

Now obviously when when it comes to getting ready for a show things like carb loading, water manipulation as well as other issues come into play. But as far as bodyfat goes, I see nothing to disprove the usefuless of IIFYM when it comes to getting down to 5-7%.

 

[Rida5d]

During my journey from changing from a fat fuck, to a better person I did Atkins f***** diet.
In some weeks I was eating over tdee.. I ended up with more fat..
I know calipers are not accurate, but there was a negative impact once I exceeded my tdee for a couple of weeks.

 

[Matt0071]

Not much more to tell mate
Just eat chicken fillet (as much as you like) add some fibrous carbs and a couple spoons of Peanut Butter for 4 weeks, see how you go.
This should be accompanied by some supplements, it works without but you will look much better with.

Now you will likely get all the macro brigade screaming but its because they haven't tried it

So high pro, high fat, low carb diet, do u find it bites into your muscle after awhile?

 

[banzi]

During my journey from changing from a fat fuck, to a better person I did Atkins f***** diet.
In some weeks I was eating over tdee.. I ended up with more fat..
I know calipers are not accurate, but there was a negative impact once I exceeded my tdee for a couple of weeks.

Are you sure it wasn't muscle shrinkage due to the lack of carbs rather than fat gain?
People who drop all carbs tend to start panicking that they are looking like shit and flat after a few days, its surprising how your body reacts and you start getting higher energy levels on less carbs, maybe science says that shouldn't be the case, but it is.

NB the Atkins is also very high fat.
Protein needs to be your main source of cals.

 

[banzi]

So high pro, high fat, low carb diet, do u find it bites into your muscle after awhile?

Nope, not if you supplement.
You will lose weight far easier if your glycogen stores are depleted.
Moderate fats, not high fats.

 

[banzi]

I am not a competitive bodybuilder, but I have dieted down successfully to 7% twice (DEXA scan) without AAS.

As far as macros go, IIFYM still applies - the science doesn't suddenly change because you have less fat on you. Obviously you feel horrible as you go lower (my test levels dropped alot, main reason I stopped at 7%) but that's mainly due to the adaptations your body has made throughout your diet (leptin levels crash, thyroid is down, test is down, etc).
In my experience (combined with the science) I see no reason to say IIFYM doesn't apply, my diet (as far as food choices) didn't change from 13-7%.

Now obviously when when it comes to getting ready for a show things like carb loading, water manipulation as well as other issues come into play. But as far as bodyfat goes, I see nothing to disprove the usefuless of IIFYM when it comes to getting down to 5-7%.

The science doesnt change but the body does.
You have got to 7 and stopped so why do you now " see nothing to disprove the usefulness of IIFYM when it comes to getting down to 5-7%" if you haven't been lower than 7?

Im not going to get into a scientific debate because I have no links to counter all the evidence.
I just have my personal experience and other people who have been there will know as well.

 

[Matt0071]

When u say fibrous carbs, what do u mean, like green veggies as a carb source

 

[Matt0071]

Why I give credit to the ones that compete and get to 5-7% bf, takes a toll on u, not only physically but mentally as well, u must druve by a mcdonalds or fast food joint just want to throw back a few cheeseburgers, extra large frie, and a milkshake lol

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

The science doesnt change but the body does.
You have got to 7 and stopped so why do you now " see nothing to disprove the usefulness of IIFYM when it comes to getting down to 5-7%" if you haven't been lower than 7?

Im not going to get into a scientific debate because I have no links to counter all the evidence.
I just have my personal experience and other people who have been there will know as well.

I already stated that the body adapts to a point where its begging you to put some fat on. This doesn't happen because of your food choices - denying this is not only denying science, its denying common sense.
You think your body won't change if you eat "clean? You think eating clean (same macros as IIFYM) will lead to better results?

My main issue is you seem to believe that your food choices (regardless of macros) makes you feel worse at those levels, or your implying that eating clean would lead to better results at those % levels.
The physiological and psychological effects you get when you start to get into those % levels will happen regardless of your food choices (provided macros are correct) - that's my main point.
I could slap a bunch of scientific evidence in here, but since you keep dismissing it, I won't bother

Also, I VOLUNTARILY stopped at 7, the fat loss hadn't stopped - IIFYM would have allowed me to keep going had I not been worried about my test levels.

 

[banzi]

When u say fibrous carbs, what do u mean, like green veggies as a carb source

broccoli
lettuce
cauliflower
zucchini
tomatoes
asparagus
green beans
squash
cucumber
spinach

 

[Matt0071]

I already stated that the body adapts to a point where its begging you to put some fat on. This doesn't happen because of your food choices - denying this is not only denying science, its denying common sense.
You think your body won't change if you eat "clean? You think eating clean (same macros as IIFYM) will lead to better results?

My main issue is you seem to believe that your food choices (regardless of macros) makes you feel worse at those levels, or your implying that eating clean would lead to better results at those % levels.
The physiological and psychological effects you get when you start to get into those % levels will happen regardless of your food choices (provided macros are correct) - that's my main point.
I could slap a bunch of scientific evidence in here, but since you keep dismissing it, I won't bother

Also, I VOLUNTARILY stopped at 7, the fat loss hadn't stopped - IIFYM would have allowed me to keep going had I not been worried about my test levels.

Fuck that sex is better haha

 

[banzi]

I already stated that the body adapts to a point where its begging you to put some fat on. This doesn't happen because of your food choices - denying this is not only denying science, its denying common sense.
You think your body won't change if you eat "clean? You think eating clean (same macros as IIFYM) will lead to better results?

My main issue is you seem to believe that your food choices (regardless of macros) makes you feel worse at those levels, or your implying that eating clean would lead to better results at those % levels.
The physiological and psychological effects you get when you start to get into those % levels will happen regardless of your food choices (provided macros are correct) - that's my main point.
I could slap a bunch of scientific evidence in here, but since you keep dismissing it, I won't bother

Also, I VOLUNTARILY stopped at 7, the fat loss hadn't stopped - IIFYM would have allowed me to keep going had I not been worried about my test levels.

Get yourself down to 6% and then eat chicken and rice for two weeks then eat chicken and cheese puffs for two weeks keeping cals the same.
Look in the mirror and then tell me IIFMM is still relevant.